{"id":2177,"date":"2012-05-01T20:31:03","date_gmt":"2012-05-01T19:31:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bassdu.mine.nu\/?p=2177"},"modified":"2012-11-30T18:43:07","modified_gmt":"2012-11-30T17:43:07","slug":"sorin-olteanu-si-siguranta-de-sin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bassdu.mine.bz\/?p=2177","title":{"rendered":"Sorin Olteanu \u015fi &#8230; siguran\u0163a de sine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Atrag aten\u0163ia c\u0103 nu sunt un lingvist \u015fi c\u0103 s-ar putea s\u0103 gre\u015fesc, nefiind eu a\u015fa de sigur de mine cum este d-l Sorin Olteanu, care este desigur un erudit, dar care-\u015fi permite un limbaj \u201efoarte colorat\u201d la adresa altora&#8230; chiar prea colorat ! Suntem \u00eens\u0103 de o v\u00e2rst\u0103 \u015fi o s\u0103-mi permit s\u0103-i atrag aten\u0163ia c\u0103 uneori \u201eeste \u00een gre\u015feal\u0103\u201d . Nu o s\u0103 detaliez un r\u0103spuns la <a href=\"http:\/\/soltdm.com\/tdman\/teme.htm\">http:\/\/soltdm.com\/tdman\/teme.htm<\/a> , ci o s\u0103 \u201epunctez\u201d numai c\u00e2teva aspecte, sigur fiind c\u0103 un \u201elingvist adev\u0103rat\u201d ar putea spune mai multe.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u00cen primul r\u00e2nd, premiza de la care pleac\u0103 \u201eomul de \u015ftiin\u0163\u0103\u201d Sorin Olteanu este :<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201e<strong>S\u0103 mai facem o ultim\u0103 \u015fi fundamental\u0103 observa\u0163ie: legile func\u0163ioneaz\u0103 \u00eentr-un singur sens, anume dinspre latin\u0103 spre rom\u00e2n\u0103, lucru normal pentru cei care judec\u0103 cu bun sim\u0163 istoria \u015fi care, \u00een baza nenum\u0103ratelor argumente existente, \u015fi-au format convingerea c\u0103 rom\u00e2nii provin din romani \u015fi nu invers.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>OBIEC\u0162IE :<\/strong> &#8230;\u015fi dac\u0103 totu\u015fi limba rom\u00e2n\u0103 nu deriv\u0103 din cea latin\u0103, legile dumneavoastr\u0103 r\u0103m\u00e2n valabile, numai c\u0103 se schimb\u0103 &#8230; sensul !<br \/>\nCu toate astea, eu cred mai LOGIC\u0102 \u201edezvoltarea paralel\u0103\u201d a celor dou\u0103 limbi.<br \/>\nExist\u0103 \u201eteoria limbii matc\u0103\u201d, emis\u0103 de unul ce se cheam\u0103 Noam Chomsky \u015fi care este LINGVIST de faim\u0103 interna\u0163ional\u0103.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00ceNTREBAREA 1<\/strong> : dumneavoastr\u0103 crede\u0163i c\u0103 LATINA este \u201elimb\u0103 matc\u0103\u201d ?&#8230; atunci greaca veche ce este ???<br \/>\nP\u0103i dac\u0103 latinii \u201evin \u00een Istorie\u201d dup\u0103 greci, ba chiar \u015fi dup\u0103 traci (de la care au \u201eluat\u201d pe Eneea \u201e\u00eentemeietorul\u201d), cum r\u0103m\u00e2ne cu \u201elimba matc\u0103\u201d ?<br \/>\nNoi \u201etracomaniacii\u201d sus\u0163inem chiar, c\u0103 \u015fi GRECII \u201evin de undeva\u201d&#8230; o zic ei, referindu-se la &#8230; PELASGI !!!<br \/>\nTrage\u0163i concluziile&#8230; c\u0103 doar Noam Chomsky nu o fi un \u201emaniac\u201d !?!?<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00ceNTREBAREA 2<\/strong> : pute\u0163i explica diferen\u0163ele \u00eentre \u201elatina lui Cicero\u201d \u015fi cea a lui Sant&#8217;Agostino (400 de ani diferen\u0163\u0103) ?<br \/>\n&#8230; pe care o lua\u0163i ca \u201ebaz\u0103 de analiz\u0103\u201d \u00een influen\u0163a asupra limbii rom\u00e2ne ?&#8230; nu de altceva, dar sunt cu totul \u015fi cu totul DIFERITE \u015fi desigur \u201epopolanii\u201d&#8230; \u201evulgul\u201d, nu-i cuno\u015ftea pe niciunul din ei&#8230; ce s\u0103 mai zicem de \u201elegionarii romani\u201d, care nici m\u0103car romani nu erau \u015fi nici nu aveau jurnale \u015fi radio-televiziuni !?<\/p>\n<p><strong>OBIEC\u0162IE<\/strong> : Sus\u0163ine\u0163i ROTACISMUL (prima \u201elege\u201d enun\u0163at\u0103 de dumneavoastr\u0103, sau de alt \u201eom de \u015ftiin\u0163\u0103 lingvistic\u0103\u201d) ca dovad\u0103 a influen\u0163elor \u201edinspre latin\u0103 \u00eenspre rom\u00e2n\u0103\u201d, dar \u201es\u0103r\u0103cia fonetic\u0103\u201d a latinei \u00een raport cu rom\u00e2na, favorizeaz\u0103 \u201edirec\u0163ia invers\u0103\u201d. Am putea deci vorbi de LOTACISM !? &#8230; se cunoa\u015fte dificultatea chinezilor de a pronun\u0163a pe R, \u00eenlocuindu-l cu L. Cum Italia este \u0163ara cu cele mai multe cazuri de DISLEXIE, \u00eentreba\u0163i un medic de ce apare aceast\u0103 boal\u0103. V\u0103 sugerez alt medic dec\u00e2t Cuejdean&#8230; nu de altceva, dar are alt\u0103 specialitate ! \ud83d\ude00<br \/>\nDiscursul poate fi extins \u015fi la FRANCEZI.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00ceNTREBAREA 3<\/strong> : de ce sarda este considerat\u0103 \u201elimb\u0103 pre-indo-european\u0103\u201d, iar mie to\u0163i italienii \u00eemi spun c\u0103 provin de acolo ?<br \/>\nLegat de asta : de ce steagul sarzilor are capete de \u201enegrii\u201d, ca \u015fi cel al corsicanilor, dar \u015fi ca sigiliile valahe \u015fi moldovene\u015fti ?&#8230; ba chiar exist\u0103 \u015fi \u201esteme papale\u201d cu aceste reprezent\u0103ri (inclusiv a actualului pap\u0103) !?<br \/>\nDe asemenea limba etruscilor este considerat\u0103 pre-indo-european\u0103 \u015fi reamintesc \u00een acest context influen\u0163a major\u0103 a acestora asupra latinilor p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een sec al III-lea \u00ee.C.<br \/>\nV\u0103 spun eu de ce : pentru c\u0103 \u201eavem particularit\u0103\u0163i lingvistice asem\u0103n\u0103toare\u201d&#8230; LOGIC !!!<br \/>\nP\u0103i atunci \u015fi limba rom\u00e2n\u0103 e pre-indo-european\u0103, c\u0103 a\u015fa pricepem de ce suntem \u201ekentum\u201d care scriu \u201eSUT\u0102\u201d !!!<\/p>\n<p><strong>OBIEC\u0162IA CEA MAI CEA :<\/strong> sus\u0163ine\u0163i c\u0103 \u015eCOAL\u0102, nu provine din latinescul SCOLA (care vine din grecescul SCHOLA\/\u00c8), deoarece vine din slavonul SKOLA !?!? Asta deoarece altfel nu ar mai fi valabil\u0103&#8230; legea dumneavoastr\u0103 (sau a cui o fi) !?!? \u00cemi vine \u00een minte profesorul meu de matematic\u0103, atunci c\u00e2nd \u201eo luam pe ocolite\u201d&#8230; \u00eemi spunea : \u201ede ce te scarpini cu m\u00e2na st\u00e2ng\u0103 la t\u00e2mpla dreapt\u0103 ?\u201d<br \/>\nHaide\u0163i domnule s\u0103 fim serio\u015fi, c\u0103 doar or fi avut daco-rom\u00e2nii \u0103\u015ftia \u015fi \u015fcoli&#8230; c\u0103 doar nu i-or fi a\u015fteptat pe slavi ca s\u0103 le spun\u0103 cum se chiam\u0103 locul \u0103la unde se studiaz\u0103 !? &#8230; sau crede\u0163i c\u0103 romanii\/bizantinii se interesau de toate, numai de copii lor NU !?<br \/>\nP\u0103i slavii de unde au \u00eemprumutat cuv\u00e2ntul, dac\u0103 nu de la rumunii g\u0103si\u0163i acolo ? &#8230; de la greci ? &#8230; atunci \u015fi rumunii l-au \u00eemprumutat de la greci (<strong>\u03c3\u03c7\u03bf\u03bb\u03b5\u03af\u03bf-scholio<\/strong>) , ci nu de la slavi, c\u0103 doar grecii aveau \u015fcoli NU ???&#8230; atunci de ce Dic\u0163ionarele \u201escriu prostii\u201d ???&#8230; \u015fi pe urm\u0103 sunt sute de astfel de<strong> prostii<\/strong> \u015fi asta deoarece sunt sute de &#8230; <strong>prosti\u0163i !<\/strong><br \/>\nBulgarii \u015fi s\u00e2rbii \u00eencep s\u0103 vin\u0103 \u00een Balcani prin sec al VI-lea d.C., iar <strong>arom\u00e2nii Chiril \u015fi Metodiu<\/strong> le \u201efac\u201d alfabetul \u00een sec al IX-lea.<br \/>\nBulgarii zic <strong>\u0443\u0447\u0438\u043b\u0438\u0449\u0435<\/strong> la \u201e\u015fcoal\u0103\u201d, deci r\u0103m\u00e2n numai serbo-croa\u0163ii ca \u201esurs\u0103\u201d.<br \/>\nHai domnule, c\u0103 ai dat-o r\u0103u \u00een bar\u0103 !!!<\/p>\n<p><strong>CONCLUZIE<\/strong><br \/>\nPoate s-a observat c\u0103 am pus ghilimele la \u201eoamenii de \u015ftiin\u0163e lingvistice\u201d !?<br \/>\nLe aduc la cuno\u015ftin\u0163\u0103 acestora, c\u0103 \u00een \u015eTIIN\u0162\u0102, nu exist\u0103 EXCEP\u0162II DE LA LEGI !!!&#8230; se poate vorbi de excep\u0163ii de la REGULI, care au caracter subiectiv, iar c\u00e2nd sunt \u015fi \u201ereversibile\u201d, \u00ee\u015fi pierd&#8230; sensul !!!<br \/>\nCa \u015fi la \u201eoamenii de \u015ftiin\u0163e istorice\u201d, recomand acestora un pic de bun sim\u0163 \u015fi mai pu\u0163in\u0103 \u201eeuforie intelectual\u0103 punctat\u0103 de vulgarit\u0103\u0163i\u201d, deoarece tot ceea ce ne pot propune, sunt &#8230; IPOTEZE&#8230; a\u015fa cum fac \u015fi \u201etracomanii\u201d !<br \/>\nPoate ar trebui s\u0103 \u0163ine\u0163i cont de opiniile \u201ecolegului\u201d ce v-a recomandat (a\u015fa cum declara\u0163i) :<\/p>\n<p>\u201eMi-aduc aminte c\u0103 cineva mi-a dat mai demult o &#8220;lucrare&#8221; \u00een care afirma c\u0103 porne\u015fte de la trei &#8220;principii&#8221;: 1. rom\u00e2na provine din latin\u0103 (mi-am spus: cam truistic, dar e ok!), 2. basca provine din rom\u00e2n\u0103 (!) \u015fi 3. latina provine din rom\u00e2n\u0103 (!!!)\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Cred c\u0103 dumneavoastr\u0103 nu a\u0163i \u00een\u0163eles ce sugera&#8230; eu DA !<br \/>\n<strong>Continu\u0103m s\u0103 a\u015ftept\u0103m un lingvist adev\u0103rat, care s\u0103 pun\u0103 la punct dic\u0163ionarele, deoarece \u201eceea ce g\u0103sim pe pia\u0163a lingvi\u015ftilor\u201d este &#8230; de mil\u0103&#8230; dac\u0103 nu &#8230; de sil\u0103 !<\/strong><br \/>\n\u015ei s\u0103 nu se supere cineva, deoarece a acuza de MANII este cu mult mai &#8230; de prost gust !<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Atrag aten\u0163ia c\u0103 nu sunt un lingvist \u015fi c\u0103 s-ar putea s\u0103 gre\u015fesc, nefiind eu a\u015fa de sigur de mine cum este d-l Sorin Olteanu, care este desigur un erudit, dar care-\u015fi permite un limbaj \u201efoarte colorat\u201d la adresa altora&#8230; chiar prea colorat ! 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