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OC: Why would the Pentagon be the most heavily defended building on earth? Defended from whom? Are America’s neighbours, the Mexicans and the Canadians, likely to attack it any time soon? By the time the Chinese Air Force got within thousands of miles of the USA, the two nations would be in a full-scale war with each other. A hostile aircraft carrier couldn’t get anywhere near the USA. Submarine missile launch would be dealt with at the coast. It would be a complete waste of time and money to give the Pentagon special security. Besides, it’s a reinforced building and it takes a hell of a lot to do any damage to it. They have little more than the usual barriers and security checks. They were taken completely by surprise by the hijacked plane attack, and who wants to shoot down a commercial airline over central Washington DC? It made complete sense to allow the Pentagon to be struck rather than shoot down the plane – little damage was done and far fewer people died than if the plane had been shot down over the city. No country at the time viewed internal flights with any degree of suspicion. That’s what made the attack so effective.

CT: The Pentagon is the HQ of the US Armed Forces; it’s the nerve centre of the world’s second biggest war-machine. China has quietly outgrown the US in raw military force in recent years. It better be the most heavily defended building on Earth!

It’s certainly heavily defended; there will be air AA guns and SAM sites for miles around, doubtless very well concealed. Likewise, there is a huge staff and armed garrison there, and most infantrymen are trained in man-launched SAM missiles. The Pentagon of course has direct and immediate contact with the HQ of the US Air Force, not to mention the White House and the US Navy. So if they did decide to shoot down a rogue jet, they could, what with all flights being identified by radio transponder and easily distinguishable, even considering heavy air traffic.

So why didn’t they shoot down the plane? It could be that the PR issues relating to shooting down a civilian plane, even a hijacked one, outweighed the other costs of just letting it hit; fair point, although I don’t think that anyone who might have seen it that way (are there many PR media gurus wandering around the Pentagon?) would have been near enough to the Big Red Phone to call of the airstrike in time. Plus, the official story was that the entire US Air Force was on manoeuvres (what, ALL of them?) and the AA guns, SAM sites and rocket-troopers where left unmentioned. I simply do not believe that there wasn’t even a single semper-fi-do-or-die wannabe Rambo Yankee meathead marine with a rocket launcher to try and shoot down the plane on the Pentagon lawn. And the lawn is a case in itself, having survived an alleged air-crash completely unscorched and without a scrap of debris visible; unchanged before, during and after. Just an observation. I could get really paranoid and ask where the wings of the plane went. Disintegrated. Allegedly.

OC: This is the Pentagon’s “defence force”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Protective_Service

The Pentagon is really just an office block full of bureaucrats. Everything in it is duplicated elsewhere, especially in huge underground nuclear bunkers under mountains. Do you think the President would hide in the Pentagon during an emergency? Not a chance!!! In the Cold War, it was expected the Pentagon would be destroyed in a Soviet nuclear strike, so it already has inbuilt redundancy. We have the internet now and excellent mobile communications. No one needs the Pentagon!!

No one in their right mind would blow up a plane over a city. Thousands would die, fires would erupt everywhere, a whole zone of the city would be totalled. You shoot it down over farmland – not over a city. Unless you were in a war, no sane person would be deploying SAM missiles in city environments. You wouldn’t even contemplate having them around in case they fell into the wrong hands!

And who’s going to pay for all this alleged security? Even the Pentagon has a budget.

Yes, of course the wings disintegrated. How robust is a wing compared with incredibly thick reinforced concrete? It would be miraculous if they did anything other than disintegrate.

Debris was visible and there was minor scorching. Anyway, even if someone fired a missile into the Pentagon, as some people claimed, where’s the scorched grass that followed the explosion? You can’t have it both ways. No one disagrees there was an explosion, so why didn’t the heat and fire scorch the grass much more visibly? Who knows? But this certainly isn’t a point in favour of the Truthers. Or have the Pentagon come up with new non-scorching explosives, or non-scorching grass?

CT: Good counter evidence, but “an office building”?

There are two stories behind why it’s called “The Pentagon”; the first is that it was designed, like so many other famous American buildings, by Satanists. I give that idea as much credit as you do, which is to say none.

The second story goes that the design is based on Roman principles of defence; it’s a five sided building (so that it’s hard to attack one face of the building head-on without coming under fire from one of the other angled overlooking walls), and each face consists of five reinforced concrete and steel walls, staggered through the building in concentric pentagons to resist HEAP missiles. Allegedly the ‘plane’ (whose wings totally disintegrated, remember), drove straight through three of those layers of concrete and steel like an arrow, drilling a tunnel deep inside before exploding. I’m not saying it was a High Explosive Armour Piercing Missile, just that the damage is not consistent with a plane.

It’s a fortress. The notion that it only has a garrison since 9/11… sure, ok. Official records tell us that there is no garrison, no infantry, no air defences at the Pentagon. Sure, I’ll buy that.

Remember when the British govt denied the existence of the SAS and MI6? The US still denies the existence of Delta Force (they’re the elite presidential guard; they wear raybans as part of the uniform, no joke). Military personnel at the Pentagon? What a strange idea.

The argument about shooting planes down over cities and the PR effect is a good one; the idea that Pentagon is less well defended than any army base of equivalent size though… no, I can’t credit that. On SAM sites; they’re either buried in minibunkers on wooded hills, or the man-launched missiles are kept in the armoury. Standard design for an armoury (at least for British military) is a buried concrete room, a solid steel cell door, and a steel cage inside the room bracing the walls; they’re very secure, what with the armed guards and alarms and all.

The question I’d raise on shooting down the plane or not; why didn’t they shoot down the Camp David plane? Besides the obvious fact that it crashed when passengers stormed the cockpit. Note that I’m not for a moment denying the planes or the incident; what I’m saying is that the orders came from within the US govt. No, obviously most of the people involved wouldn’t have known, or the truth really would be out there already. But governments have performed false flag attacks before (Hitler, Reichstag), and as I said at the outset, I don’t believe that the Taliban have either the ability or indeed the motivation to attack the US. They arrived in Afghanistan as US mercenaries, for one, having been hired off the Saudis.

OC: The physical construction of the Pentagon demonstrates the symbolic power of the American military, but it is nevertheless just a glorified office, full of paper shufflers and people getting home by five to pick up their kids etc.

What’s so great about conspiracy theorists is that they all seem to be experts in plane design, building design, civil engineering, architecture, explosive effects, physics, chemistry, metallurgy etc.

Weren’t we just saying just the other day that most people don’t have a clue what gravity is? So how come we’re all experts on the precise effects of unprecedented explosions in places and situations that have never been tested before? Most people have no idea what a plane does when it hits a building like the Pentagon – what makes any uninformed person think they know? Since when have we had any empirical data? A computer simulation of what happened looked perfectly plausible…one of the first things that happened was that the wings started disintegrating and folding into the fuselage.

The Pentagon isn’t a functional military site – it’s not on the frontline of anything. It’s a building in the capital of the USA where bureaucrats go. It has minimal defences because there are minimal threats to it. Until not so long ago, you could walk up to the front door of Downing Street or the White House. Does Langley have Sam missiles all around it? FBI HQ? Capitol Hill? The White House?

Naval headquarters? Air Fleet HQ? Delta Force HQ? Marines HQ? Submarine HQ? Do the Americans have unlimited budgets for once in a century events? Imagine being the Pentagon’s SAM missile operator from 1960 to 2001? I bet he wrote very long novels!

Remember Pearl Harbour? That happened while America was profoundly alarmed about Japanese intentions and a full-scale war was raging in Europe, yet still they were caught sleeping. So much for security.

9/11 was an “under-the-radar” low-tech attack that took a superpower by surprise. America was always a target for Muslims because of its absurd support of Israel. It was logical it would be targeted.

CT: I don’t actually have the Pentagon blueprints to hand; I’m going on a documentary I saw and what seems like common sense in defending the US Military HQ, e.g. SAM sites and a garrison. Naval headquarters, Air Force HQ, Delta Force HQ? Marines HQ, Submarine HQ… yes, they would have SAM sites. The White House might, the others probably don’t. Downing Street doesn’t, but there are several garrisons of infantry within rapid response range, who would have access to LAW Rockets, which are standard issue to the British Army Infantryman.

OC: No one said the Pentagon was undefended. The point was that until 9/11 it had little more than police-level perimeter security. You couldn’t walk in without authorization, obviously. But it would be a complete waste of tax dollars to heavily defend installations that are unlikely ever to come under a concerted attack by a major hostile force unless an actual war were in progress. Seriously, do you think every possible target should be heavily defended at all times egardless of the likelihood of an attack? Part of the CT analysis is hat everyone has unlimited budgets and resources. They don’t. Look at the MI5 and MI6 HQs. There’s no sign of heavy security. They have nothing more than a few security men hanging around. Who would want their taxes spent on loads of guys who never have to do anything?!

So, why did the US government attack the Pentagon then? What was the point? Why not leave it as just the Twin Towers if they wanted to perform a false flag attack?

The White House/Capitol Hill, the Pentagon and the Twin Towers are exactly what I would attack if I were a Muslim fanatic. I would do the Twin Towers on their own if I were a false flagger conspirator. The more targets, the bigger the operation has to be, and the higher the chances of it being compromised. There was simply no sensible point in attacking the Pentagon as well.

CT: Good point, not every military or government building is a ‘hard-target’; but HQs, such as the Pentagon or MI6 will be very secure. Even the normal level of defence at a police station is extreme; most large UK police stations have armouries and ALL American ones do, alongside all their riot gear. So even minimal police-force security is a pretty tough nut to crack; even turning down the security level at the Pentagon way below what I think is feasible, we’re still talking Military Police, which means that their men are soldiers and their riot gear includes rocket launchers.

And I know that for a fact. Even for prestige value, the Pentagon would warrant top-notch security, certainly enough to mobilise a response. The most effective argument you’ve come up with, and that I am considering, is that strategically it would be better to take the hit and then retaliate with full public support.

OC: Imagine it’s August, 2001. An unknown number of hijacked aircraft are in London airspace. Air traffic control have been ordered to ground every plane. No one’s sure who the hijackers are, where they’re going, what they want or what they’re going to do. No clear instructions are coming from Downing Street. Confusion reigns.

There are rumours flying everywhere. An aircraft is detected heading straight towards Parliament. You’re seriously telling me that you think some soldier/cop/security guard is going to pop out of a guardroom in Parliament with a rocket launcher and, without any orders from the highest possible level, shoot down a commercial jet with hundreds of people in it? That’s just madness. It would never happen. NEVER.

That kind of decision is way beyond any soldier’s pay grade. Imagine if he called it wrong?!! The scenario you envisage is impossible on every level. No one at the Pentagon on 9/11 would ever have done what you suggest.

No soldier would have contemplated firing missiles at a civilian plane. Would YOU shoot down a plane without direct orders?! The plane came in really fast, at ground level. There was virtually no time to react. No one knew for sure what was going on.

An order to shoot down a commercial plane would have to come from Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld – and they were all getting rushed to safe zones while the Pentagon attack was going down. Our idiot western leaders are so inept and indecisive that they didn’t know what to do. Remember Michael Moore’s famous footage of Bush sitting in the classroom? That’s what a clown way out of his depth looks like – and his entire administration were every bit as inept.

PR had nothing to do with it – it was just sheer confusion and incompetence …headless chickens running around.

Of course governments are wicked and are conspiring against the people – just common sense as you say…but they can’t manage anything sophisticated. Their conspiracies are mostly about feathering their own nests…not blowing up their own citizens (though they would if they absolutely had to!).

The first Twin Towers attack by a Muslim nut proves that the Muslims were very interested in bringing down the Twin Towers. That was their dry run.

And think of this – the British police are so inept that they shot dead a completely innocent man in Stockwell underground station. Every part of the Stockwell operation demonstrated staggering ineptitude. And you think people like that, and their American counterparts, can manage elaborate conspiracies? This is fantasy land. Anyone who was part of a conspiracy would spill the beans in a best-selling book and be on Oprah Winfrey. You can’t keep a conspiracy as huge as that secret. Hundreds of people would have known about it. Someone would have talked.
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Tower 5:

OC: So, what about Tower 5?

Tower 5 was not hit by a plane, and, unlike Tower 7, it didn’t collapse (but was demolished later). Clearly (in videos of the building), a huge and intense fire is raging. The enormous fireballs that erupted from the twin towers obviously set fire to buildings all around. Why wouldn’t they?

You can’t argue that all skyscraper fires are the same. How do you know if the materials used were the same, or the heights of the skyscrapers, or the base areas, or the tolerances, or any special design features? There are loads of factors involved. The fact that no one fought the fire is another huge point. Also, the collapse of the twotowers must have sent massive shockwaves through the whole site. It would have been the equivalent of a strong localized earthquake. The foundations of all the towers in the area would have received a devastating shock. How do you know what such a shock would do to a building already with strong fires blazing in its core?

No one on earth would know in advance what effects the 9/11 circumstances would have. These are things that need to be studied by engineers, architects, scientists, demolition experts – not by a bunch of paranoid CTers with no technical qualifications but very fertile minds. This CT stuff makes a complete mockery of the scientific method.

Science progresses by experts carefully collecting data, forming hypotheses, testing them and verifying them, refining where necessary. It doesn’t involve non-experts with an axe to grind trying to look at anomalous photos and videos and saying – “Look, that can’t be right!” That’s more like how religions work – people who can see the face of Jesus in a slice of toast etc!!

It’s surprising that you didn’t mention that the CIA/FBI or some such other organization had offices in Tower 7.

CT: I don’t know about Tower 5, but it looks like enough fire damage to warrant demolishing afterwards. And engineers have come forward, a good number of them, to testify that skyscrapers don’t fall down from fire or earthquakes; they’re built to resist both. Notice no one questions that the tower withstood impacts from planes; that didn’t bring them down, but apparently burning jet fuel did. Again; jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel.
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Tower 7:

CT: Tower 7 wasn’t hit by a plane. It wasn’t even on fire. What’s far fetched is that it collapsed at all. Somehow, the tax records for the Enron scandal happened to disintegrate in the freak collapse, which just happened, completely coincidentally, at the same time as the, ahem, terrorist attack.

OC: What is far-fetched about this account of Tower 7?…

“On August 21, 2008, NIST released its draft report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center, beginning a period for public comments. In its investigation, NIST utilized ANSYS to model events leading up to collapse initiation and LS-DYNA models to simulate the global response to the initiating events. NIST determined that diesel fuel did not play an important role, nor did the structural damage from the collapse of the twin towers. But the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, including on floor 13, where a critical interior column buckled. With the buckling of that column, adjacent columns also failed along with the floor structure above. This triggered a vertical progression of floor failures to the roof. The collapse then progressed east-to-west across the structure, and ultimately the entire structure collapsed. The fires, fuelled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.”
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In Summary:

There is no smoking gun. There is no hard evidence. The logic of the alleged false flag conspiracy theory is absurd. None of it makes sense. The official version is much more plausible. Occam’s Razor supports the official version. To be opposed to the Old World Order does not mean that you should accuse them of everything under the sun. They are vile, dangerous, greedy, evil people, but that doesn’t mean that they carried out 9/11. The OWO knew 9/11 was coming and did nothing about it.

That was their crime, and it is an extremely serious one for which they should be held to account. Instead, they have been let off the hook by all the ridiculous claims of the “Truth Movement”. There is every reason to believe that the CIA started the “Truth Movement” as a means to distract people from asking the serious question: why was a red carpet laid out for terrorists? There were many opportunities to stop 9/11 and none were taken. Why not? Because the government wanted a pretext to launch a Middle East war. That is the true scandal.

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We are often asked about 9/11. Was the American government involved, or not?
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Acts of Omission:

If we were to say that the American government took no explicit part in any conspiracy to kill its own citizens, would that indicate that the American government had no culpability? There are several ways to skin a cat. Governments often choose to use the tactic of omission rather than commission. In other words, rather than do something themselves, they wait for their enemy to do it, and deliberately omit to take the steps necessary to prevent it. They know it is about to happen, but they choose not to stop it because it is, in fact, precisely what they want.

If one asks the most important question of all in any conspiracy scenario – cui bono? (to whose benefit?) – one can see that numerous American neocon foreign policy and economic objectives were satisfied in the aftermath of 9/11.

Acts of omission are almost impossible to prove. Incompetence and negligence are always cited rather than conscious intent on the part of a government to allow the slaughter of its own citizens to take place Therefore, governments frequently employ this tactic. It permits “plausible deniability”.

No one should forget that the CIA had extensive contacts with the mujahedeen during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, and provided them with arms and intelligence. It is inconceivable that they did not come into contact with such a prominent figure as Osama bin Laden, and many of the future leaders of the Taliban. Either the CIA are one of the most inept organisations on earth, (they aren’t!) or they were well aware of what was happening in Afghanistan. In which case, why did they do nothing?

During WWII, the British broke German secret codes. Several times, they permitted disastrous events to happen, with thousands of their own people dying, even though they could have stopped any of those disasters. But to stop them would have alerted the Germans that their codes had been cracked. The ‘greater good’ dictated that it was preferable for innocent citizens to be killed than for the enemy to learn that its secret codes had been compromised. Be in no doubt – governments are always prepared to sacrifice their own citizens if they think it is in the greater interest of their policy aims. No one is protecting you. Your lives are dispensable.
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4/9

It is estimated that lawyers and administrators working on the winding down of the American and international operations of Lehman Brothers investment bank will eventually reach $4 billion. Nice money for the vultures feeding on the carcass. Why should any bank be allowed to reach the scale where it costs billions simply to shut it down? All of these banking leviathans should be broken up into much smaller units.

9/11 was caused by American support for Zionism. There would have been no 9/11 and no “War on Terror” if America had adopted the sensible position of remaining neutral in relation to Israel. Zionism has been a catastrophe for America, dragging it into costly wars that have made it one of the most unpopular nations in the world, just as Israel is for its war crimes against the Palestinians. Gaza is effectively a concentration camp, or a walled-up ghetto just like the ones the Jews hemselves were once forced to endure by the Nazis.

“Truthers” often condemn us for not taking their side over 9/11.

Let’s be clear about this. Anyone who seriously thinks that Mossad or he CIA/FBI/Special Forces carried out 9/11 rather than fanatical Muslims on a martyrdom operation is a nutcase.

The Bush government was an abomination. Zionism is an ongoing abomination. That does not mean that 9/11 was an American or Jewish operation. People seem to forget that Islamic fundamentalism is also an abomination and is one of the most dangerous and evil forces in the modern world. Muslims have carried out thousands of suicide martyrdom operations in the last forty years. Muslims have hijacked many planes in the last forty years. 9/11 was a martyrdom operation involving planes hijacked by Muslim fanatics. What’s hard to understand? Everything about 9/11 fitted the precise modus operandi of Islamic radicals. Nothing about it fitted the modus operandi of the CIA/FBI/Mossad. Two plus two equals four, unless you can’t count.

Why would anyone in their right mind see 9/11 as anything other than extremist Muslims attacking America for its support of Zionism? Two plus two.

The Muslim extremists who carried out 9/11 had:

1) the motive (hatred of America’s pro-Zionist, anti-Islamic foreign policy).

2) the motivation (a chance to heroically strike back against America and, above, all, to become martyrs).

3) the means (hijacking planes with box cutters and fake bombs).

4) the money (supplied by Osama bin Laden, a very wealthy Arab).

5) the organization (all of the resources of Al Qaeda were put at their disposal).

6) the opportunity (they had lived in America for months beforehand, taking flying lessons).

7) the surprise (no such operation had ever been undertaken before; America was completely unprepared).

8) the track record (thousands of Muslims had carried out suicide bombings; 9/11 simply used hijacked planes as the suicide bombs).

9) the precedent (in 1994 – seven years before 9/11 – Muslim suicide bombers from Algeria hijacked a plane and intended to crash it into the centre of Paris; they were killed by French Special Forces. The 9/11 gang learned all of the lessons of this first bungled attempt.)

10) the prior attempt (in 1993, Muslim fanatics had previously tried to blow up the Twin Towers with a van bomb: this was their No.1 global target).

If that isn’t persuasive enough, what about this list (courtesy of Wikipedia) of Islamic terrorist attacks in the last two decades:

1) 26 February 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.

2) March 1993 – Bombay bombings. Mumbai, India. 250 dead, 700 injured.

3) 28 July 1994 – Buenos Aires, Argentina. Vehicle suicide bombing attack against AMIA building, the local Jewish community representation. 85 dead, more than 300 injured.

4) 24 December 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.

5) 25 June 1996 – Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.

6) 17 November 1997 – Luxor attack, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attack tourists at Egypt’s famous Luxor Ruins. 68 foreign tourists killed.

7) 14 February 1998 – Bombing in Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, India. 13 bombs explode within a 12 km radius. 46 killed and over 200 injured.

8) 7 August 1998 – 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.

9) 4 September 1999 – A series of bombing attacks in several cities of Russia, nearly 300 killed.

10) 12 October 2000 – Attack on the USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden.

11) 11 September 2001 – 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.

12) 13 December 2001 – Suicide attack on Indian parliament in New Delhi by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-EMohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. 7 dead, 12 injured.

13) 27 March 2002 – Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 30 dead, 133 injured.

14) 30 March 2002 and 24 November 2002 – Attacks on the Hindu Raghunath temple, India. Total 25 dead.

15) 7 May 2002 – Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.

16) 24 September 2002 – Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.

17) 12 October 2002 – Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.

18) 16 May 2003 – Casablanca Attacks – 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafia Jihadia.

19) 11 March 2004 – Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured (alleged link to Al-Qaeda).

20) 1 September 2004 – Beslan school hostage crisis, approximately 344 civilians including 186 children killed.

21) 2 November 2004 – The murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.

22) 4 February 2005 – Muslim terrorists attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.

23) 5 July 2005 – Attack at the Hindu Ram temple at Ayodhya, India; one of the most holy sites of Hinduism. 6 dead.

24) 7 July 2005 – Multiple bombings in London Underground. 52 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.

25) 23 July 2005 – Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.

26) 29 October 2005 – 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.

27) 9 November 2005 – 2005 Amman bombings. A series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Over 60 killed and 115 injured. Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.

28) 7 March 2006 – 2006 Varanasi bombings, India. A series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi. 28 killed and over 100 injured.

29) 11 July 2006 – 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings, Mumbai, India; a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai. 209 killed and over 700 injured.

30) 14 August 2007 – Qahtaniya bombings: Four suicide vehicle bombers massacred nearly 800 members of northern Iraq’s Yazidi sect in the deadliest Iraq war’s attack to date.

31) 26 July 2008 – 2008 Ahmedabad bombings, India. Islamic terrorists detonate at least 21 explosive devices in the heart of this industrial capital, leaving at least 56 dead and 200 injured. A Muslim group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility.

Indian authorities believe that extremists with ties to Pakistan and/or Bangladesh are likely responsible and are intent on inciting communal violence. Investigation by Indian police led to the eventual arrest of a number of terrorists suspected of carrying out the blasts, most of whom belong to a well-known terrorist group, The Students Islamic Movement of India.

32) 13 September 2008 – Bombing series in Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 3 people dead.

33) 26 November 2008 – Muslim extremists kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India’s largest city and financial capital, Mumbai. A group calling itself the Deccan Mujahedeen claims responsibility, however, the government of India suspects Islamic terrorists based in Pakistan are responsible. Ajmal Kasab, one of the terrorists, was caught alive.

34) 25 October 2009. Baghdad, Iraq. During a terrorist attack, two bomber vehicles detonated in the Green Zone, killing at least 155 people and injuring 520.

35) 28 October 2009 – Peshawar, Pakistan. A car bomb is detonated in a woman exclusive shopping district, and over 110 killed and over 200 injured.

36) 5 November 2009 – Fort Hood shooting, Texas, USA. U.S. Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan, an American Muslim of Palestinian descent, shot and killed 13 people and wounded 30 others at a U.S. Army base.

37) 3 December 2009 – Mogadishu, Somalia. A male suicide bomber disguised as a woman detonates in a hotel meeting hall. The hotel was hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students when the blast went off, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.

38) 25 December 2009 – Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (also referred to as Umar Abdul Mutallab and Omar Farooq al-Nigeri; born December 22, 1986, in Lagos, Nigeria) is a Muslim Nigerian citizen who attempted to detonate plastic explosives hidden in his underwear while on board Northwest Airlines Flight 253, en route from Amsterdam to Detroit, Michigan, on December 25, 2009. He was subsequently charged on six criminal counts, including attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and attempted murder of 289 people.

39) 1 January 2010 – Lakki Marwat, Pakistan. A suicide car bomber drove his explosive-laden vehicle into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match killing more than 100 people.

40) 1 May 2010 – New York, New York, USA. Faisal Shahzad, an Islamic Pakistani American who received U.S. citizenship in December 2009, attempted to detonate a car bomb in Times Square working with the Pakistani Taliban or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.

41) 28 May 2010 – Attacks on Ahmadi Mosques Lahore, Pakistan. Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan claimed attacks on two mosques simultaneously belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others.

Were these all the work of the CIA and Mossad? If not, then why does anyone think Muslim extremist were incapable of carrying out 9/11? If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it’s a duck! 9/11 bore all of the hallmarks of Islamic terrorism. It was entirely in accord with previous Islamic terrorist operations, it was entirely in accord with Islamic threats against America, and it was entirely consistent with all known data concerning Islamic terrorism.

So, why is all of this so difficult for “Truthers” to understand and accept? Why is it more credible that Mossad or American special forces did it (as part of an elaborate American-Zionist government conspiracy) given the overwhelming and prima facie evidence that it was perpetrated by Muslim Jihadists who had carried out a host of extremely violent attacks against Western targets?

America believed that its fanatical support for Zionism was consequence-free. America thought it was immune from attack on home soil. 9/11 showed that the American understanding of the global political situation could not have been any more simplistic and deluded. The American government was asking for trouble and got it in buckets.

Only people with a pathological hatred of the very principle of government would blame government for everything. If you are an ally of the Tea Party, you are no ally of ours. If you are an ally of Osama bin Laden, you are no ally of ours. If you are an ally of anarcho-capitalist libertarianism, you are no ally of ours.

So, make your mind up – whose side are you on? Islam? Anarchy? Capitalism? Libertarianism? Or meritocracy – good government in the name of the people.

American support of Zionism is the real issue of 9/11. The idea that on 9/11 the American government hijacked four planes (via remote control or suicidal agents in no need of a pension) and flew them into three targets (but screwed up with the fourth – great plan, guys) is so comical you would need to have taken leave of your senses to believe it for even one second. Sure, it’s always worthwhile to raise the possibility that the government might have done it, but if the evidence just isn’t there then the conspiracy theory has to be abandoned. That’s the rational approach. But the irrationally minded will cling to the theory no matter what.

Many persuasive arguments were put forward to suggest that the American moon landings were faked, but a scientist went through every single point and refuted them all one by one, showing exactly how the fallacies had arisen. If you are a Gnostic, you pursue knowledge. If you are a “believer”, you don’t care about knowledge, about facts, about evidence. 9/11 Truthers are believers. Whatever happened to their internal Devil’s Advocate?

Never forget Occam’s razor – the simplest explanation is usually correct. “Do not multiply entities unnecessarily.” The amount of “entities” that need to be multiplied to make 9/11 a government plot is astronomical. Bad governments should be held accountable for the many crimes they DID commit, not the imaginary ones they didn’t. The Tea Party are crazy, racist, anarcho-capitalist libertarians, obsessed with imagined government conspiracies. They despise government in principle.

We despise bad government, but we are not against government per se. We are advocates of strong, effective, wise, meritocratic government. Increasingly, we are repulsed by all mention of conspiracy theories because their most fervent advocates are usually members of the Tea Party. The Tea Party regard government as an intrinsic conspiracy against the people.

The Tea Party are extremely dangerous anarchists who want America and the world to become like the old Wild West. They want a restoration of fundamentalist Christian values, the right to go around armed to the teeth, and the right to engage in unregulated ultra capitalism where markets and private corporations dictate everything. These people are every bit as dangerous as the OWO. In fact they overlap with the OWO in numerous places.

“Truthers” and the Tea Party are virtually synonymous. Their agenda is to undermine the concept of government in order to replace it with their anarcho-capitalism. Why does no one ask questions about their conspiracy? They are massively motivated to blame the government for everything.

It’s one thing to oppose the corrupt, self-serving Washington D.C. establishment, it’s quite another to want to replace government with capitalist markets based on profit-driven, unaccountable private corporations, to replace “Big Government” with “Big Business”. You’d better make sure you know what side you’re on, and for what reasons. It’s not true that your enemy’s enemy is always your friend. Sometimes they can be your enemy too. The Tea Party, just as much as the OWO, represents everything to which we are opposed.

The Philosopher King of the Tea Party is a dead Austrian economist called Friedrich Hayek, a ferocious enemy of the power of the state. His most famous work is The Road to Serfdom in which he argues that under big government we become serfs (he is silent on what we are under big business; worker drones perhaps?). It is now being treated as a holy text. It was a favourite work of the two members of the Old World Order who kick started the recent massive increase in the OWO’s power: Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan.

Thatcher, a truly evil individual, is infamous for saying, “There is no such thing as society.” That is indeed the core position of libertarianism. It’s all about families and individuals operating with ruthless self-interest to try to create a competitive advantage for themselves. It’s the creed of privilege and power. It’s the gospel of hate towards others. In short, it’s the Gospel of Satan.

The OWO are two-faced. They support big government if it’s advancing their agenda and controlling the servile masses; they hate state power if it encroaches on their “free market” ideology i.e. their rigged, unregulated cartels. The state is in fact an OWO compromise. If they could get away with doing without it, they would. They need it as part of the illusion of “freedom and democracy”.

Big government is indeed a catastrophe if it resembles what goes on in Washington D.C. – a puppet administration of the OWO, up for sale to the highest bidder, packed with the incompetent beneficiaries of cronyism, nepotism and privilege. But big government of the people and for the people, and operated by the most meritorious of the people is the means to deliver people permanently from serfdom.

Texan Republican Ron Paul, a libertarian presidential candidate at the 2008 election is a huge fan of Hayek. So is his son Rand Paul, Republican Senator for Kentucky. Paul junior is on record as having said that he would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act that outlawed discrimination against African Americans. His justification was that such an Act contravened strict libertarian dogma because it allowed government interference with private business. If a businessman refused to serve blacks, that was his right. What did it have to do with government? Do you agree with that?

Hayek’s book is often bracketed with Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand’s monstrous tribute to the super rich. Rand was of Jewish stock and one of her greatest disciples was Alan Greenspan (another Jew), primary architect of the financial meltdown of 2008. Another libertarian hero is the Jewish economist Milton Friedman.

Libertarianism is a highly Jewish ideology. For Jews, such an ideology is perhaps understandable since they have a natural revulsion towards state power since it has often been savagely directed against them. Of course, the Zionist-controlled media is more than happy to espouse the libertarian message: more power for Zionist billionaires; less power for any government that seeks to control and regulate Zionist banks and interests. All supporters of libertarianism are, whether they know it or not, serving the agenda of the Zionist super rich against the interests of the people.

Libertarianism is the real mechanism by which the Old World Order hope to seize global control. Libertarianism goes hand in hand with unregulated globalisation: reducing the world’s population to serfdom and slavery in service of the Old Masters – the Old World Order.

Everyone who supports Hayek, Rand, Friedman, and libertarianism is an enemy of the people. Libertarianism is a codeword for racism, Zionism, and ultra capitalism. All supporters of the Old World Order subscribe to it.

The libertarians of extreme right wing, racist organisations such as the Tea Party are the shock troops of the OWO, their foot soldiers and water carriers. They are the storm troopers of fascist rule by the Power Elite. We welcome the condemnation of such vile people; if they supported us in any way we would know we were doing something disastrously wrong.

The 9/11 “conspiracy” is the ultimate McGuffin – it’s nothing at all. There’s nothing there. It’s a red herring. Its function, though, is very real. It drives a secondary plot and an entirely different narrative. Its true purpose is to undermine the basis of government – any government, government in principle – and to “reveal” all government as a lethal threat to the people, as an eternal conspiracy.

The “Truthers” are anarcho-capitalist libertarians who want to destroy government. They are engaged in a massive and frighteningly dangerous conspiracy to kill government and replace it with enormous corporations acting according to the “market”, and outside any government control or restraint.

In this nightmarish new world, people would be brainwashed drones and droids “owned” by corporate leviathans. There would be no freedom, no hope and no escape. Wake up. See what’s really going on. See past the smoke and mirrors.

Ask yourself that ancient question – cui bono? Who will benefit most from the Truthers’ new model of society? The answer is the same one it has always been: big business, the entrenched elite, the privileged few, the men behind the curtain; in short, the Old World Order. It’s the oldest story ever told. Will we go on being suckers forever? Wake up!
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The 9/11 Paradigm:

The 9/11 conspiracy theories should be reclassified as a religion, or, better still, as a mental illness. A person keeps sending web links to us in which various anti-Zionists provide “irrefutable evidence” that Zionists were responsible for 9/11. See, for example:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/soci…/sociopol_911zion.htm

Of course, their “evidence” is always laughable and just reveals how crazy and irrational they are. There is literally nothing that could persuade the “Truthers” to change their mind and accept the selfevident facts.

9/11 is astoundingly simple. Only one thing needs to be known: that four American planes were hijacked and used as suicide bombs by their hijackers. Everything that happened subsequently flowed from that incontestable fact, the sine qua non for everything else. So, who would hijack an American plane and then be willing to give his life to use it as a weapon of war against prominent American targets, resulting in indefinite numbers of innocent Americans being slaughtered? Obviously, it would be an agent of Mossad or the CIA!

After all, they’re famous for their suicide hijacking operations and desire for martyrdom. The CIA and Mossad are notorious despisers of American civilians, and are only too keen to massacre them in vast numbers. They’ve long harboured a pathological hatred of America. Or have I gone fucking insane?!!!

Without any conceivable question, 9/11 was carried out by 19 of the legions of Muslim maniacs who detest America, and who love suicide operations as the martyr’s fast track to paradise. Probably ten thousand Muslims have participated in suicide operations over the years. Number of CIA or Mossad agents who have taken part in suicide operations? – ZERO!

All of the hijackers were identified. They were all well-known Muslim fanatics who attended jihadist training camps in Afghanistan. Air stewardesses on the planes (all of whom died) used onboard phones to say exactly what was happening and who was doing it (they gave the seat numbers of the hijackers).

The heavily accented voices of the hijackers in the cockpits were recorded. Flight 93 was brought down because of a passenger uprising. The passengers were fully aware of what had happened to the other planes because their family and friends on the ground were telling them in phone calls. The Flight 93 passengers were not trying to attack suicidal Mossad or CIA agents, but Muslim fanatics wearing red martyrdom bandanas around their heads. The Muslim hijacker pilots had all attended American flying schools in the previous months. That’s exactly what you would expect as part of an elaborate CIA and Mossad suicide plot, isn’t it? In 1993, in another well-known CIA/Mossad plot, a van bomb was used to try to blow up the Twin Towers. Or was it another bunch of Muslim maniacs who were responsible?

In 1994, the CIA/Mossad hijacked a plane in Algeria, intending to crash it into the heart of Paris. French Special Forces killed these CIA/Mossad agents. Or was it in fact another gang of Muslim crazies that got gunned down?

The London bombing and the Madrid bombing – obviously carried out by the CIA, Mossad and the British and Spanish Intelligence services and not by Muslim psychopaths who left martyrdom videos bragging about what they had done and giving warning of more attacks to come. The many terrorist attacks against Russia – Mossad, the CIA and the Russian intelligence service were self-evidently the guilty parties and not the hordes of Muslims who despise Russian rule and have been waging war against Russia for decades.

There are certain incontrovertible facts: Muslims love peace and never harm anyone; no Muslim has ever taken part in a suicide operation; no Muslim has ever hijacked a plane; no Muslim has ever hated the Americans or Europeans; no Muslim has ever targeted the twin Towers. Anyone who says that Muslims carried out 9/11 is clearly a member of Mossad or the CIA. Muslims love the West.

At least that’s what the demented Truthers think. Our correspondent talks about the “truth”. Not that he cares what it is. Like many people, he knows what the conclusion is that he desires, and nothing as inconvenient as a fact will dissuade him from marching straight to that conclusion. He will hunt high and low for material to support his delusion, and ignore everything that contradicts it. This is the trademark way that Christians, Jews, Muslims, Creationists etc operate. These are “Mythos” (story) people who have never been troubled by rational Logos thinking. Actually, they’re not capable of exhibiting reason or logic. They are locked into feelings and sensations. They have their 9/11 paradigm that shapes how they understand the world, and they will never abandon it. They can’t. It has become part of their identity.

We are opposed to Zionism, the State of Israel, American support for Zionism and Israel, and the Zionist lobby in America. Yet we will not stoop to accusing Zionists of crimes they didn’t commit when the guilty parties have been caught red-handed.

To the person who keeps writing to us – why don’t you join Al Qaeda? Don’t visit our site again. Go and plague someone else with your conspiracy theories. For two thousand years and more, Abrahamists have bought into irrational garbage. Two thousand years from now the Religion of 9/11 will still be going strong. Why? Because the earth is a mental asylum, full of people unable to think rationally.

Muslim maniacs and their fellow travellers have claimed that the Madrid bombing was ordered by the Spanish government and the London bombing by the British government. Why should anyone be surprised that they blamed the Zionists and Americans for 9/11? It’s what they do – blame others – and there are always credulous fools willing to believe them because they have their own axe to grind. There are hundreds of Muslims in jails all over Europe, all caught plotting acts of horrific violence against the West. Only the most deluded people on earth would imagine that Western governments fabricated all of this. Go to a radicalised mosque and you will hear imams calling for all infidels to be killed and for all good Muslims to martyr themselves in a global jihad. Are these secret CIA and Mossad imams? Get fucking real.

9/11 was one act amongst a whole campaign of Islamic jihadist terrorism that has been going on for decades in scores of countries. Only people who don’t have a clue about the history of jihadism could imagine that 9/11 couldn’t possibly have been done by jihadists. It’s ALL they’ve been doing for decades.

Anyone who says that 9/11 was perpetrated by Zionists and Americans is a friend and ally of Al Qaeda, Islamic jihad, and global Sharia Law. Zionists and the American government are guilty of innumerable crimes. 9/11 isn’t one of them.

Go to YouTube and have a look at the martyrdom video of Shehzad Tanweer – “CIA/Mossad Agent” (according to the logic of 9/11 conspiracy theorists) who murdered seven innocent people in a suicide bomb attack on London Underground on 7/7/2005. THAT’s the enemy, not the CIA.

During the Cold War, the Americans chose to help the Afghani jihadists – the future Taliban – against the Soviets. Once allies, the Americans and Taliban are now the bitterest of enemies. Donald Rumsfeld was famously pictured shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, and America gave massive aid to Iraq during its war with Iran (another hated enemy of America). So, according to conspiracy theory logic, Saddam Hussein was a CIA agent! Therefore, Saddam Hussein participated in the 9/11 conspiracy even though it resulted in his overthrow and death!

Don’t laugh – that’s the level of rationality the conspiracy theorists operate at. They look for any compromising photographs, snippets of information, hearsay, rumours, coincidences etc. and build them into an enormous edifice that contains so much data that it might seem impressive on first glance. On second glance, it’s like the Ptolemaic model of the solar system – extremely complicated and utter nonsense.

And never forget this: not a single particle of evidence has ever inked Iraq to 9/11. So, this “brilliant” conspiracy, whose purpose was llegedly to allow America to justify an invasion of Iraq to grab its oil and provide regional support for Israel, did not fulfil even its first bjective – to attribute blame for 9/11 to the nation about to be attacked. Was this the most inept conspiracy in history? Or are theconspiracy theorists who advocate this “conspiracy” the most retarded in history?

The Cabinet Meeting that gave the go-ahead for 9/11

Just consider for a moment that you’re sitting around the Cabinet table of the Israeli Government in 2001. You’re having to decide whether to use Mossad to attack your greatest friend, ally, supporter and funder – America. You will be killing thousands of American citizens. If you are caught, America will not only have to withdraw all support and friendship from you but actually declare war on you. It would mean the end of Israel, the treasure you have protected with such determination for so long. Israel will revert to Palestine once more, and the Jews will never get it back again. And it will be your fault.

You will surely go to hell. Yahweh will declare that the Jews broke the sacred Covenant and brought this fate upon themselves. In a couple of centuries, there will be no Jews left on earth. And all because you madly chose to attack your great benefactor and friend, America, in the most cold-blooded and treacherous way imaginable. And why are you contemplating this insane step? Well, because you want America to attack Iraq. The plan is to covertly attack America while pretending that responsibility lay with Al Qaeda or Iraq (who cares? – they’re all ragheads!), thus creating the excuse for war on Iraq.

According to some scenarios, the American government will actually be helping you to attack their own country – the biggest act of treason in human history. Both you and the Americans have to pray that nothing goes wrong and nothing leaks (may God curse WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, Bradley Manning and all those inclined to spill the beans!). If it does, the governments of Israel and America are both toast – they will be executed for high treason, and Israel will cease to exist.

“And remind us again of why we’re taking the biggest, riskiest and most treacherous gamble in the history of the world, one that will stand as an eternal act of infamy,” say the Israeli Prime Minister and the American President to their advisers as they get ready to give the go-ahead for the diabolical plot. “Because we want a war in Iraq?”

Aren’t there any easier ways, guys? And we have to find 19 Mossad and CIA agents who can be plausibly passed off as Islamic terrorists, and moreover, we need them all to agree to murder thousands of Americans and also commit suicide? Apart from that, we have to rig the Twin Towers for demolition, to take place not when the planes strike but some time later. We also have to demolish some towers that didn’t even get hit by planes! We have to fire a missile at the Pentagon, and then shoot down one of the four planes that we ourselves hijacked. We also have to close down the whole of American airspace. Isn’t that all going to be a bit of a stretch? Then we have to arrange the biggest cover-up in history, involving thousands of people, any one of whom could talk and blow the whole thing? Hmmmmm. I’ll tell you what, guys – you’re all fired!!!!!”

You would have to be literally deranged to believe that the American and Israeli governments ordered Mossad and the CIA to find 19 suicide agents to kill 3,000 Americans, thus creating an excuse for war with Iraq, which wasn’t even implicated in 9/11.

What’s the alternative? 19 Islamic Jihadists working for Al Qaeda, an organization that loathes pro-Zionist America and has attacked American targets all over the world for many years, hijacked four American planes and used them to perform spectacular “martyrdom” operations against the Great Satan. Allahu Akbar!!!

So, which option do you choose? Are you sane or insane? Anyone who continues to say that the governments of Israel and America perpetrated the most heinous act of treason in history for the extremely modest “prize” of war with Iraq is quite simply demented and beyond help. Not one shred of credible evidence has ever been advanced to support the mad hypothesis. No conspiracy theorist has ever explained who the Israeli and CIA agents were who were willing to kill Americans and themselves for the sake of the “plan”. Some have suggested that the planes were flown by remote control (!), thus ignoring all of the evidence from all of the planes, particularly Flight 93, that Muslim hijackers had violently seized the planes and killed passengers with box cutters. All of the hijackers were identified. They were all known jihadists. What the fuck is there to be suspicious about? If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.

Which two countries do all jihadists loathe? – America and Israel. You think the jihadists weren’t motivated to carry out 9/11? You think the thousands of acts of Islamic terrorism are all covert CIA and Mossad operations to discredit nice, peaceful Muslims who would never hurt a fly? What fucking planet are you living on?!

If you, like George W Bush and his senior Cabinet colleagues, were an extremely wealthy person enjoying the finest life imaginable, would you court disaster, infamy and the death penalty by ordering a covert attack on your own country and fellow citizens – just to create a pretext for attacking foreign countries that have oil you covet? Your fate would be entirely in the hands of the hundreds and thousands of people who would need to be involved in such a mammoth undertaking as 9/11 (if viewed as a Western conspiracy): the White House, Pentagon, Air Traffic Control, the media, CIA, FBI, Mossad, all those involved in the planning of the alleged demolition of the Twin Towers and other buildings, those who allegedly fired a missile at the Pentagon, NYPD and emergency services, Washington police and emergency services etc – any one of who could have blown the whole deal and squealed, with deadly consequences for you and your family.

The truth is that 9/11 conspiracy theorists are nuts who buy into a vision where George W Bush and his confederates aren’t even human. Rather, they are pan-dimensional lizard humans from another world: they despise humanity and they would never breathe a word of the conspiracy because they’re all Reptilians! That’s the only way to make their conspiracy work. Then it becomes airtight (!). The hijackers can become shape-shifting creatures that escaped from the planes into another dimension before the collisions took place. Ah, now it all makes perfect sense!!!

So, was 9/11 carried out by Islamic maniacs using the modus operandi characteristic of Islamic jihadist terrorists for several decades, or was it carried out by alien Reptilians? That’s your choice. And then people wonder why we call “Truthers” crazy! Some people have suggested we should form an alliance of convenience with “Truthers”. You must be joking!
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5/9

First off, we should say that all of the junk and complete nonsense we are about to wade through has already been comprehensively debunked at sites such as: www.911myths.com

Clearly, the person who sent us this list has no interest in researching any of the 9/11 debunking sites. There are many websites claiming 9/11 was an inside job and just as many debunking those websites. Our correspondent is the sort of person who avidly reads the “inside job” sites and completely ignores the others. He lives in a fantasy land, not realising that all of the “definitive” evidence he reads about so eagerly has already been totally discredited and rejected.

By and large, we will not be offering the answers to the fifty questions since that has been done exhaustively elsewhere. Instead, we will be concentrating on how moronic these questions are and we will be considering the mentality of the person who compiled the list and those people, like our correspondent, who are taken in by this gibberish. We will adopt a tone of mockery since how else can you show your contempt for the ranting and raving of the lunatics and madmen who have long since departed the rational world.
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Fifty questions:

1) How come dead or not dead Osama bin Laden has not been formally indicted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) as responsible for 9/11? Is it because the US government – as acknowledged by the FBI itself – has not produced a single conclusive piece of evidence?

That’s because the DBC (the “dastardly and brilliant conspirators”) know that Bin Laden didn’t do it – because THEY did! America has spent billions on pursuing Bin Laden as a complete smokescreen, and they have brilliantly made sure they never actually captured him, because that would prove disastrous. He would expose the whole sordid conspiracy. In fact, he’s actually in the protective custody of the CIA in a special Witness Protection Scheme for “Guilty Men who are not Guilty!”

America has imprisoned hundreds of Muslims in Guantanamo Bay for years. Astoundingly, not one of them has been formally indicted by the FBI. Is that because America doesn’t have a single conclusive piece of evidence against them? Or is because America has chosen to treat them as “unlawful enemy combatants” (denied the right of legal prisoners of war) in an ongoing terrorist war and is detaining them indefinitely as permanently dangerous combatants rather than as people to be processed by the American criminal justice system?

(Note: as of May, 2011, Al Qaeda acknowledged that the Americans successfully assassinated Bin Laden in Pakistan.)

2) How could all the alleged 19 razor-blade box cutter-equipped Muslim perpetrators have been identified in less than 72 hours – without even a crime scene investigation?

What?! It took the DBC that long? But surely the DBC had all of the details of the conspirators already – after all, they picked them!

In fact, all of the perpetrators were identified DURING the hijackings – the air stewardesses used the phones on the planes to provide the seat numbers of the hijackers to the authorities. Who the fuck needs a crime scene? Jack Ruby was identified within seconds of assassinating Lee Harvey Oswald. No one had carried out the required crime scene investigation!!! Unacceptable!

3) How come none of the 19’s names appeared on the passenger lists released the same day by both United Airlines and American Airlines?

Er, on the one hand it’s being suggested that the perpetrators were conveniently identified by the DBC within 72 hours without a crime scene investigation; now it’s being asserted that the DBC were so dumb that they hadn’t even worked out who they were going to finger for the crime, hence inserted the names afterwards. Are these the dumbest conspirators in history? They didn’t have their stooges and patsies ready to take the blame. This, of course, is the first thing to which conspirators attend. You must have someone to blame – that’s the whole point of the conspiracy.

In fact, because the hijackers were fully known, they were deliberately excluded from the passenger lists because they were murderers, not passengers. An entirely appropriate step to take, wouldn’t you say? The 7/7 bombers in London aren’t listed amongst the dead for exactly the same reason.

4) How come eight names on the “original” FBI list happened to be found alive and living in different countries?

How many John Smiths are in the world? How many people use fake identities? How many fake passports are in the world?

5) Why would pious jihadi Mohammed Atta leave a how-to-fly video manual, a uniform and his last will inside his bag knowing he was on a suicide mission?

Eh?!! Is he supposed to leave his last will in his hotel room for the cleaners to find?

Atta’s bags did not make it onto Flight 11 because his earlier flight from Portland was delayed. They were found later at Logan International Airport, containing his hijacking kit, including an airline uniform and flight manuals.

Most conspiracy theorists choose to say that the bag was obviously planted. And what does “pious” have to do with anything? The question is a non sequitur.

6) Why did Mohammed Atta study flight simulation at Opa Locka, a hub of no less than six US Navy training bases?

Because he was a DBC agent!!! Of course, if the DBC were smart, they would have made sure he trained anywhere else in the utmost secrecy. But these are evidently the dumbest conspirators in history!

7) How could Mohammed Atta’s passport have been magically found buried among the Word Trade Center (WTC)’s debris when not a single flight recorder was found?

Because the DBC ludicrously planted it there!!!! Actually, wasn’t it some other hijacker’s passport rather than Atta’s (namely Satam Al Suqami?) Come on, get your facts straight!

8) Who is in the possession of the “disappeared” eight indestructible black boxes on those four flights?

The DBC! Or perhaps the claim that black boxes are indestructible only applies to normal crash conditions. The Titanic was described as “unsinkable”. We all know how that turned out!

9) Considering multiple international red alerts about a possible terrorist attack inside the US – including former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice’s infamous August 6, 2001, memo – how come four hijacked planes deviating from their computerized flight paths and disappearing from radar are allowed to fly around US airspace for more than an hour and a half – not to mention disabling all the elaborate Pentagon’s defense systems in the process?

Because the DBC were in control of the whole of American airspace and all American air controllers were in on the conspiracy and should immediately be arrested and indicted by the FBI!!

The suggestion being made here is that America should be geared up for shooting down commercial airliners full of hundreds of people within seconds of any route deviation. Just imagine that on 9/11 American fighter planes were scrambled within minutes and shot down ten planes (because many planes deviated from their prescribed routes that day), six of which didn’t have any hijackers onboard. That would have played well, wouldn’t it?

On 9/11, no one in America associated hijacking with suicide missions. Only an insane person would expect hijacked planes, or planes behaving erratically, to be routinely shot out of the sky over American cities. Even now, would anyone shoot a plane out of the sky over a city? – you would cause much more damage than letting it crash in one location. Debris would rain down all over the city causing fires, death and destruction everywhere.

10) Why the secretary of the US Air Force James Roche did not try to intercept both planes hitting the WTC (only seven minutes away from McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey) as well as the Pentagon (only 10 minutes away from McGuire)? Roche had no less than 75 minutes to respond to the plane hitting the Pentagon.

Because he’s a member of the DBC! Or perhaps it’s because it wasn’t his job to be intercepting commercial airliners and shooting them down and you need the highest possible authorisation to start doing things like that. Or is America a military dictatorship?

11) Why did George W Bush continue to recite “My Pet Goat” in his Florida school and was not instantly absconded by the secret service?

“Abscond” – to run away secretly to avoid prosecution or punishment! Isn’t that putting the cart before the horse? Don’t you mean “extracted”?

Because he’s a member of the DBC! What better alibi?! Given that he was fully in on it, shouldn’t Bush be awarded an Oscar for looking like a gormless clown who didn’t know what the fuck was going on, and seemed utterly paralysed with indecision?

12) How could Bush have seen the first plane crashing on WTC live – as he admitted? Did he have previous knowledge – or is he psychic?

Both! He’s a pan-dimensional Reptilian shape-shifter. Also, the Florida school has a hook-up to the DBC’s live channel showing dastardly deeds!!! Apparently, the children were shocked to have been dragged into the dark secret and then forced to stay silent afterwards!

13) Bush said that he and Andrew Card initially thought the first hit on the WTC was an accident with a small plane. How is that possible when the FAA as well as NORAD already knew this was about a hijacked plane?

All over the world, it was reported that a light aircraft had crashed into the Twin Towers. A light aircraft crash was a comprehensible scenario; a hijacked commercial aircraft on a suicide mission was not.

The FAA and NORAD had no expectation that a hijacked plane would deliberately crash. No one would call it a terrorist event without a “crime scene investigation” i.e. doing things by the book.

The cretin who made up these questions wants, on the one hand, everything to be done according to standard procedure, and then on the other to be done according to unique procedures invented on the spot by people without any authority.

14) What are the odds of transponders in four different planes being turned off almost simultaneously, in the same geographical area, very close to the nation’s seat of power in Washington, and no one scrambles to contact the Pentagon or the media?

So, it has always been standard procedure in America for air traffic controllers to get onto the media to inform them about all strange happenings in airspace? Yeah, right? Should all American employees have a hotline to the media and the Pentagon, and instead of getting on with their jobs in a crisis they should have a chat with the media and the Pentagon instead?

WTF!

Imagine the conversation to the Pentagon: “Four transponders have been switched off. We have no further information so I want you to start searching the skies for these planes and then blasting commercial aircraft with hundreds of passengers onboard out of the sky.” Yeah, right!

15) Could defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld explain why initial media reports said that there were no fighter jets available at Andrews Air Force Base and then change the reports that there were, but not on high alert?

Because he was feeding false data to the media because he was a member of the DBC!!!

In London on 7/7, emergency services attending one of the bombings were accidentally sent to the wrong place because of confusion over the address. In any crisis, things go wrong and confusion reigns.

16) Why was the DC Air National Guard in Washington AWOL on 9/11?

They were all in on it! The DBC told them to do nothing. Or maybe they, like most other people, had no idea what was going on, and no orders.

17) Why did combat jet fighters of the 305th Air Wing, McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey not intercept the second hijacked plane hitting the WTC, when they could have done it within seven minutes?

Yes, if they had known what we all know now. They didn’t know it at the time. There’s a useful phrase – the “Fog of War” – that’s used to describe the incredible confusion that often reigns during battles. Generals like to say that their battle plan is out of date the moment a battle begins. (“No plan survives contact with the enemy.” –Field-Marshal Helmuth von Moltke.)

It’s remarkable how the Conspiracy Theorists judge everything with perfect hindsight and have a touching belief in the infallibility of all government and military institutions. Did the Americans attack themselves at Pearl Harbor as part of a cunning plan to draw Japan into war? How else to explain the complete incompetence of the Americans on 7 December 1941?

18) Why did none of the combat jet fighters of the 459th Aircraft Squadron at Andrews Air Force Base intercept the plane that hit the Pentagon, only 16 kilometres away? And since we’re at it, why did the Pentagon did not release the full video of the hit?

Because someone needs to give the appropriate orders, and the Air Force commanders didn’t have the vaguest idea what was going on. There were all sorts of reports of transponders being switched off. No one knew for sure how many hijacked planes there were, and where they were.

The video? There wasn’t much to see!

19) A number of very experienced airline pilots – including US ally Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a former fighter jet pilot – revealed that, well, only crack pilots could have performed such complex manoeuvres on the hijacked jets, while others insisted they could only have been accomplished by remote control. Is it remotely believable that the hijackers were up to the task?

The ringleader of the terrorists was an Egyptian – so the first person you would go to for impartial expertise would be the hated dictator of Egypt!

The autopilot on modern aircraft is so good that they can fly themselves. Pilots are there only for safety reasons. The job of a pilot is much less complex than you would imagine – and since when did Mubarak fly a modern airliner?!

20) How come a substantial number of witnesses did swear seeing and hearing multiple explosions in both towers of the WTC? What kind of explosions? All sorts of equipment within the WTC would have exploded due to the intense heat and fires.

As for the reliability of witnesses, try studying Psychology 101 and you’ll discover that witnesses are rarely to be trusted. Most are in shock, are in a highly suggestible state, and are hypersensitive to all manner of sensations and hallucinations.

21) How come a substantial number of reputed architects and engineers are adamant that the official narrative simply does not explain the largest structural collapse in recorded history (the Twin Towers) as well as the collapse of WTC building 7, which was not even hit by a jet?

How come a number of reputed scientists deny the reality of global warming while a much larger number ridicule the deniers?

A huge amount of debris fell on WTC 7, and it was blazing with many internal fires. You can check it out on YouTube.

22) According to Frank de Martini, WTC’s construction manager, “We designed the building to resist the impact of one or more jetliners.” The second plane nearly missed tower 1; most of the fuel burned in an explosion outside the tower. Yet this tower collapsed first, long before tower 2 that was “perforated” by the first hit. Jet fuel burned up fast – and by far did not reach the 2000-degree heat necessary to hurt the six tubular steel columns in the center of the tower – designed specifically to keep the towers from collapsing even if hit by a Boeing 707. A Boeing 707 used to carry more fuel than the Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 that actually hit the towers.

Designer of Titanic – “We have designed it to be unsinkable.” It’s touching how many non-engineers regard engineers as infallible. The Shuttle disasters? – “infallible” engineers again.

Everyone knows that the second plane hit at a lower level. Imagine that the planes had managed to strike the base levels of the Towers – the structures would have collapsed within minutes. It’s the incredible weight pressing down on any weak spot that leads to structural collapse. There was much more weight on the Tower 1 “weak zone” than the Tower 2 equivalent because the impact took place at a lower level.

From the official report: “The report concluded that the fireproofing on the Twin Towers’ steel infrastructures was blown off by the initial impact of the planes and that, if this had not occurred, the towers would likely have remained standing. This was confirmed by an independent study by Purdue University.” But they’re all in on it of course!

23) Why did Mayor Rudolph Giuliani instantly authorized the shipment of WTC rubble to China and India for recycling? Because he was on it and wanted to give the incriminating evidence to the Chinese and the Indians so that they could blackmail the conspirators!

24) Why was metallic debris found no less than 13 kilometres from the crash site of the plane that went down in Pennsylvania? Was the plane in fact shot down – under vice president Dick Cheney’s orders?

Eh?! Wasn’t Dick Cheney in on the conspiracy? So why would he order the plane to be shot down? Wouldn’t that constitute ABSOLUTE PROOF that the American government wasn’t responsible for 9/11?!

In their eagerness to stir as much shit as they can find, these dumb fuck Conspiracy Theorists have destroyed their own conspiracy theory. One second, 9/11 was an inside job. Next second, Cheney is ordering the hijacked planes to be blasted out of the sky! Talk about having your cake and eating it! On the one hand, Cheney is being accused of being part of the 9/11 conspiracy; on the other, he is being accused of a totally different conspiracy – covering up the shooting down of Flight 93! Jesus – that bastard can’t win.

The Conspiracy Theorists simply use a scattergun gun approach and hope that something sticks. They are the most intellectually dishonest people on earth. They are malicious troublemakers. “Truthers?” They are the biggest liars on earth!

25) The Pipelineistan question. What did US ambassador Wendy Chamberlain talk about over the phone on October 10, 2001, with the oil minister of Pakistan? Was it to tell him that the 1990s planned Unocal gas pipeline project, TAP (Turkmenistan/Afghanistan/ Pakistan), abandoned because of Taliban demands on transit fees, was now back in business? (Two months later, an agreement to build the pipeline was signed between the leaders of the three countries).

Yes, exactly right!! And so what? Is the suggestion seriously being made that the American government perpetrated the most heinous act of treason in history just so that a pipeline could be built that had been blocked by the Taliban? WTF!!

26) What is former Unocal lobbyist and former Bush pet Afghan Zalmay Khalilzad up to in Afghanistan?

Who cares?! Maybe he’s working on the pipeline project! Does that mean he was in on 9/11 and should be executed?!

27) How come former Pakistani foreign minister Niaz Niak said in mid-July 2001 that the US had already decided to strike against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban by October? The topic was discussed secretly at the July Group of Eight summit in Genoa, Italy, according to Pakistani diplomats.

Wouldn’t that be rather logical? He had been on their hitlist for some time. If they had moved a month earlier they might have stopped 9/11!! But, according to this scenario, Bin Laden clearly wasn’t a CIA agent, yet many Conspiracy Theorists have suggested he was.

28) How come US ambassador to Yemen Barbara Bodine told FBI agent John O’Neill in July 2001 to stop investigating al-Qaeda’s financial operations – with O’Neill instantly moved to a security job at the WTC, where he died on 9/11?

This is ridiculous. An ambassador to Yemen has no authority to give orders to FBI agents. Are we supposed to believe that the US ambassador to Yemen let it be known that she had interfered in an FBI investigation and then arranged for an agent to be assassinated as part of the 9/11 conspiracy? WTF!

29) Considering the very intimate relationship between the Taliban and Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), and the ISI and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), is Bin Laden alive, dead or still a valuable asset of the ISI, the CIA or both?

According to 27) Pakistan was aware that America wanted to kill Bin Laden. Now it’s being suggested that he was an ISI and/or CIA agent. Make your fucking mind up! This is the most ridiculous conspiracy theory in history, contradicting itself at every turn. (Note: as we now know, Bin Laden is definitively dead.)

30) Was Bin Laden admitted at the American hospital in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates on July 4, 2001, after flying from Quetta, Pakistan, and staying for treatment until July 11?

Yes, America’s “Most Wanted” often use that hospital! WTF!!!

31) Did the Bin Laden group build the caves of Tora Bora in close cooperation with the CIA during the 1980s’ anti-Soviet jihad?

So what? The CIA were actively helping the anti-Soviet jihad. Everyone knows that.

32) How come General Tommy Franks knew for sure that Bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora in late November 2001?

Because his intelligence officers told him, perhaps? Would you prefer that Franks didn’t have a clue where he was? Franks can’t win, can he?

33) Why did President Bill Clinton abort a hit on Bin Laden in October 1999? Why did then-Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf abort a covert op in the same date? And why did Musharraf do the same thing again in August 2001?

Because their plans changed! Are we back to the allegation that Bin Laden was working for the CIA? Make your mind up!

34) Why did George W Bush dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force nine months before 9/11?

So, doesn’t the existence of the bin Laden Task Force prove that he was NOT working for the CIA? Was he suddenly recruited to the CIA by Bush months before 9/11? WTF! Does he keep changing sides every few months?!

35) How come the (fake) Bin Laden home video – in which he “confesses” to being the perpetrator of 9/11 – released by the US on December 13, 2001, was found only two weeks after it was produced (on November 9); was it really found in Jalalabad (considering Northern Alliance and US troops had not even arrived there at the time); by whom; and how come the Pentagon was forced to release a new translation after the first (botched) one?

Is it being alleged that the tape was fake, or simply that the translation wasn’t accurate? Doesn’t America have an intelligence network whose job is to find out secret information long before troops show up? Or is America totally clueless despite spending billions on its intelligence services. Which is it?

36) Why was ISI chief Lieutenant General Mahmud Ahmad abruptly “retired” on October 8, 2001, the day the US started bombing Afghanistan?

Because he was suspected of being a friend of the Taliban, perhaps?! Wouldn’t that be the logical action to take? Even now, the ISI are suspected of being riddled with Taliban sympathisers.

37) What was Ahmad up to in Washington exactly on the week of 9/11 (he arrived on September 4)? On the morning of 9/11, Ahmad was having breakfast on Capitol Hill with Bob Graham and Porter Goss, both later part of the 9/11 Commission, which simply refused to investigate two of its members. Ahmad had breakfast with Richard Armitage of the State Department on September 12 and 13 (when Pakistan negotiated its “cooperation” with the “war on terror”) and met all the CIA and Pentagon top brass. On September 13, Musharraf announced he would send Ahmad to Afghanistan to demand to the Taliban the extradition of Bin Laden.

Wasn’t it stated by this cretin in Q.27 that America and Pakistan were planning a strike on Bin Laden within weeks. So, that’s why he was there, you dumb fuck.

38) Who inside the ISI transferred US$100,000 to Mohammed Atta in the summer of 2001 – under orders of Ahmad himself, as Indian intelligence insists? Was it really ISI asset Omar Sheikh, Bin Laden’s information technology specialist who later organized the slaying of American journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi? So was the ISI directly linked to 9/11?

Yes. The ISI were, and still are, totally infiltrated by Islamists.

39) Did the FBI investigate the two shady characters who met Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi in Harry’s Bar at the Helmsley Hotel in New York City on September 8, 2001?

Yes.

40) What did director of Asian affairs at the State Department Christina Rocca and the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Salam Zaeef discuss in their meeting in Islamabad in August 2001?

The weather? Why wouldn’t the director of Asian affairs talk to a Taliban ambassador? Isn’t that her job?

41) Did Washington know in advance that an “al-Qaeda” connection would kill Afghan nationalist commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, aka “The Lion of the Panjshir”, only two days before 9/11? Massoud was fighting the Taliban and al-Qaeda – helped by Russia and Iran. According to the Northern Alliance, Massoud was killed by an ISI-Taliban-al Qaeda axis. If still alive, he would never have allowed the US to rig a loya jirga (grand council) in Afghanistan and install a puppet, former CIA asset Hamid Karzai, as leader of the country.

America had been relying on Massoud to take the fight to the Taliban. His assassination was acknowledged at the time as a major blow to American interests. America would have been perfectly happy with Massoud as the leader of Afghanistan.

42) Why did it take no less than four months before the name of Ramzi Binalshibh surfaced in the 9/11 context, considering the Yemeni was a roommate of Mohammed Atta in his apartment cell in Hamburg?

All the associates of Atta were identified extremely quickly. What is the suggestion being made here? That the intelligence services are inept, or that some cover up is going on? It’s baffling trying to keep up with this alleged conspiracy.

43) Is pathetic shoe-bomber Richard Reid an ISI asset? Well, he was certainly pathetic. Are we now switching our attention to the ISI? Were they responsible for 9/11 rather than Mossad and the CIA?

44) Did then-Russian president Vladimir Putin and Russian intelligence tell the CIA in 2001 that 25 terrorist pilots had been training for suicide missions?

The most serious allegation that can be levelled against the American government is that they knew something was imminent and, in effect, allowed it to happen. We have described it as an act of omission rather than commission. It suited their foreign policy objectives to allow a major attack to take place – which is an extremely different claim from the one that they committed the act themselves.

Also, note that this point is indicating that the Russians were giving the CIA vital intelligence about a forthcoming Islamic martyrdom operation. Of course, according to the conspiracy theory, the CIA and Mossad – not Al Qaeda – were behind 9/11…so were the CIA in fact feeding false information to the Russians!

Aha!!

45) When did the head of German intelligence, August Hanning, tell the CIA that terrorists were “planning to hijack commercial aircraft?”

See 44).

If the CIA and Mossad were behind 9/11, they were evidently extremely inept at keeping their plan secret. Apparently everyone knew about it. Or were Mossad and the CIA engaged in a dastardly campaign of misinformation and disinformation?

Aha!!!

46) When did Egyptian President Mubarak tell the CIA about an attack on the US with an “airplane stuffed with explosives?”

See 44).

47) When did Israel’s Mossad director Efraim Halevy tell the CIA about a possible attack on the US by “200 terrorists?”

See 44). Hold on – weren’t Mossad involved with the CIA in the 9/11 conspiracy? Did they tell the CIA about their own joint conspiracy?

WTF!

48) Were the Taliban aware of the warning by a Bush administration official as early as February 2001 – “Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs?”

And why wouldn’t America want to attack the Taliban given that they were hosting terrorist training camps?

49) Has Northrop-Grumman used Global Hawk technology – which allows to remotely control unmanned planes – in the war in Afghanistan since October 2001? Did it install Global Hawk in a commercial plane? Is Global Hawk available at all for commercial planes?

Aha, the remote-controlled-plane theory rears its head!!! So why did Cheney allegedly shoot down Flight 93 if it was a remote-controlled plane of the Zionist-American conspiracy? So, all the phone calls from the soon-to-be-dead passengers on the planes were faked? There were no hijackers, and it was all just made up? Suicidal fake pilots and aircrew were on the planes? Or maybe there were no passengers on the planes and all of their grieving relatives are liars and evil conspirators. Maybe all of the alleged victims are living in a witness protection scheme on a luxury desert island. WTF!

Just how low and desperate can this conspiracy theory get – it’s an obscene insult to all of the innocent victims of Islamic jihadism on 9/11.

50) Would Cheney stand up and volunteer the detailed timeline of what he was really up to during the whole day on 9/11?

He was obviously presiding over the most diabolical act of treason in human history, so he’ll probably take the Fifth! He was so evil that he even ordered Flight 93 – a plane that his conspirators had hijacked – to be shot down, and then he conspired to cover it up. He conspired against his own conspiracy!!!! WTF!!! THAT’s cunning!!!

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It was suggested to us by our correspondent that these fifty questions were the “smoking gun”. As you can see for yourselves, they are ludicrous nonsense that no rational person could take seriously. Why do people waste so much time thinking up garbage? Have they got nothing better to do with their time?

We say this to the author of this collection of idiotic rubbish…So, on the one hand the planes were “remote controlled” or flown by “expert pilots” (obviously of a suicidal nature) and part of a conspiracy. On the other hand, they were being shot down by order of Dick Cheney, one of the alleged conspirators. Which is it? Can’t you make your fucking mind up? You haven’t spent even five seconds thinking through the logic of your position, such is your eagerness to apologise for Islamic maniacs who believe in a God who expects men and women to kill their own children if he commands it.

You have assembled a list of ridiculous points all of which have been addressed a hundred times over.

If you wish to believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by Mossad, the CIA and US Special Forces, that’s your prerogative. No rational argument will ever dissuade you otherwise. Why don’t you become a Muslim fanatic since that’s where your sympathies must lie?

It was suggested to us by the correspondent who sent this list that it was just “a fraction of the true story”. Well, God spare us from the rest of the shit if this is the calibre of material!

The correspondent wrote, “By the way, the best article I read about 9/11 accused the MOSSAD of masterminding the attack.”

Wow, we’re impressed! We prefer the shape-shifting lizard theory. Equally unbelievable but much more fun.

“Sorry for bothering you (one last time) with this subject though I find it of utmost importance for the society that is trying to liberate all humanity.”

The last people on earth who would represent the “liberation of humanity” are Muslims. They are slaves to Allah, Mohammed and the Koran and they would love to exterminate everyone who disagrees with them.

We can decode this statement as meaning that you have a dangerous 9/11 obsession, and you refuse to accept any evidence that contradicts your bizarre belief that super-rich American and Jews like to commit acts of high treason warranting the death penalty for no other reason than raking in a few extra bucks from foreign wars. You are a follower of the 9/11 religion, a new belief-system as cretinous and ridiculous as Abrahamism. You are insufficiently rational ever to escape from your mental illness. You ought to see a psychiatrist. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to despise the Zionist and American governments. Why would anyone need to invent excuses to loathe them?

In psychological terms, 9/11 is a projection of people’s anxieties about the way they are being governed onto a specific event that crystallizes their deepest fears about those ruling them. If only the conclusive proof could be found, they think, it would bring about the end of the tyrants.

But 9/11 is a just a distraction. We know the governments of the world are rotten to the core. We need to act now. We don’t need to waste our time chasing chimeras. Rather than becoming politically active and getting out and doing something, people spend all of their time digging up more and more nonsense about 9/11. It’s an excuse for non-action.

9/11 was a decade ago. Not one shred of credible evidence has ever linked the CIA or Mossad to the event despite tens of thousands of people dedicating every moment of their lives to uncovering every ludicrous detail, no matter how irrelevant, speculative or absurd, of 9/11 (as demonstrated by the fifty questions). The evidence that ties the event to Osama Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda is overwhelming. Why don’t people move on? Answer? – they can’t. They have “faith”. They have created a religion and now they don’t want to become heretics by admitting that it was Al Qaeda all along, just as the government said.
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6/9

One of the more thoughtful conspiracy theorists is a person who goes by the online pseudonym of JC LeSinge. He places many short movies on YouTube, discussing Nibiru, Reptilians, the Illuminati, the New World Order etc.

The debate shown below should prove illuminating to interested parties. You will observe that JC LeSinge uses a number of slippery and often ingenious arguments (in common with many CT experts). Judge for yourself whether his arguments are credible. (Note that he does not commit himself to any definite position, thus giving him scope to continually alter his case – another tactic of all sophisticated CT experts. Also, when he pleases, he is quite dismissive of certain aspects of the more outlandish conspiracy theorists – another common tactic to bolster the expert’s own credibility.)

A New Conspiracy Theory.

RECEIVING LOTS OF e-mails is a profoundly depressing experience. For every interesting message there are nine items of unbelievably irritating garbage. Here’s a message from someone calling himself “Adam Smith”.

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Hi,

I posted at your forum as ‘Ithink’. Your websites are very interesting but I was wondering why they are hosted at Menwith Hill when you (and those you support) are anti ‘Old World Order’?

I know the rumors about the Illuminati and Menwith Hill but things are often not that simple. I would appreciate a reply. Thanks.

I see you have a yahoo account, would you like a chat through Yahoo messenger? Btw, my name isn’t Adam.

OUR REPLY: We have no idea where our websites are hosted and nor could we care less. You’ve got a serious problem if you think that “hosting location” is more important than content. You conspiracy theorists are so mad that you make up new conspiracies as you’re going along. You’re actually trying to suggest that we are working for the CIA and are providing misinformation and disinformation. Well, here’s a plan for you. Why don’t you fuck off and then you won’t have to worry about our content? This world will never change while sad fucks are trying to establish where a website is hosted. Who cares?! If you think we’re deceiving you, go somewhere else and read something else. It’s THAT simple.

Are we clear?!

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“Adam” is a classic example of a conspiracy theorist. Sociologist David Riesman defined an “inside-dopester” as a social type whose goal was “never to be taken in by any person, cause or event.”

All conspiracy theorists are inside-dopesters. They have a pathological desire not to be fooled and that, of course, means they are the easiest people on earth to fool – as David Icke and other conspiracy theorist gurus prove every day with the deranged theories they peddle. No sane person could take the proposition of reptilian, shape-shifting Illuminati seriously, yet conspiracy theorists lap it up. They think they’ll be able to spot a reptilian a mile off! No slimy pandimensional lizard will ever be taking them by surprise!

Try to follow Adam’s thought processes. He stumbles across a website that intrigues him. So far, so good. Then he decides to start tracking the IP address and seeing if he can find out information about it. Is that NORMAL behaviour, or is a sign of incipient paranoid schizophrenia? Remember, no one asked this guy to come to our site. Who in their right mind would start trying to trace a site he has chanced upon? Only a conspiracy theorist thinks that way.

He says our site is hosted at Menwith Hill. This is a Royal Air Force station in the UK which provides communications and intelligence support services to the United Kingdom and the United States of America. According to Wikipedia: “The site contains an extensive satellite ground station and is a communications intercept and missile warning site and has been described as the largest electronic monitoring station in the world.”

So now we have a conspiracy theory – an Illuminati site apparently associated with a covert monitoring site of the Anglo-America secret services.

Now, for argument’s sake, let’s just say we were indeed working for the CIA and MI5. Would we be so fucking stupid as to provide a direct trail back to the CIA HQ in Langley, Virginia?

These conspiracy nutters actually believe that by using a few simple internet tools they can identify “black ops” groups who spend millions of dollars on internet security to ensure they can never be traced.

How stupid would you have to be to think you could have any chance at all of identifying CIA units if they didn’t want to be identified?

And this is the problem with inside-dopesters. They think their infantile IP-address look-up exercises allow them to reveal the secrets of the powers that be.

They must think that the world’s intelligence services are incredibly dumb, yet at the same time they’re always accusing the intelligence services of the most elaborate, sophisticated, impenetrable and diabolical conspiracies imaginable – like 9/11.

This is classic doublethink. If the intelligence services are good at what they do you will never know what they are doing. If they’re incompetent then who cares about them since they’re no threat and will be easily rumbled.

Conspiracy theorists simultaneously argue that the powers-that-be are fiendishly clever and yet the likes of David Icke can apparently see right through them with no trouble at all. Isn’t that a fatal contradiction? Why haven’t they bumped off this “genius” who sees so clearly what they are up to? It’s not as though he’s hard to find. He even uses his own name.

Here’s a message from the David Icke site: “In this incredible 4 hour presentation, author and truth-teller David Icke reveals how the human race got into the present global crisis and the keys to getting out. This no-holds-barred examination of the machinations underlying global events and the mechanisms of control used to keep us in fear and confusion, opens our eyes to the truth what is really happening behind the scenes of our reality. This awareness is a necessary step towards our ultimate liberation as a race, as a species, and as residents of Planet Earth – and includes a demolition of Barack Obama before he was even elected that has proved to be absolutely correct.” Well, it’s good to know that we’re all safe thanks to David Icke, a true hero of our times.

Yeah, right! We’re sick of these clowns who think they know something. They don’t know anything at all. They’re spinning pulp fiction, and the inside-dopesters think they’re learning real information when all they’re really learning is self-delusion. What’s for sure is that they’re putting lots of nice dosh and lolly in the pockets of their “gurus” such as Icke, Makow and Jones.

The truth is they’re out of the loop and they will always be out of the loop. Their worst nightmare has come true. They have no inside dope and they are clueless about what’s really going on.

To all those people who are obsessed with looking up IP addresses rather than trying to campaign against the Old World Order, don’t come near us. Think whatever you like about us. In fact, when you think of us, just picture huge, pan-dimensional, shape-shifting lizards that can become invisible at will and you’ll be pretty close to the mark, OK?!

NOW FUCK OFF. WE’RE TOTALLY SICK OF MESSAGES FROM LUNATICS.

We are simply staggered by the amount of mental illness there is in the world if 90% of the people who write to us are anything to judge by. It’s profoundly depressing reading the thoughts of scores of mad people every day.

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To anyone who’s actually interested in the truth, our website uses a cheap and nasty website production tool called “Mr Site”, and the site is hosted on their servers. We have no control over where they host their servers and nor are we interested in the subject – because we would be deranged inside-dopesters if we actually cared about such things.

The website software in our experience is, frankly, crap: unreliable, unstable, inconsistent when viewed from different browsers and bug-ridden. However, it has the advantage that it’s (mostly) easy to use and the content can be altered at any time by any of the three of us who operate the site. Its ease of use marginally outweighs its many problems.

We are a communication cell of the Illuminati. We’re not website designers. The Illuminati isn’t going to employ an enormous team of coders to create a glossy, whizzy website that reflects all of the shiny, corporate, capitalist values of the likes of Coca Cola. We are ANTICORPORATE, for Christ’s sake!!!

We have deliberately chosen a rough and ready, primitive look so that everyone can see how easy it is to get an enormous project off the ground for no more than a few dollars. No one can stop you. You don’t need corporate funding. Anyone can get anything off the ground extremely easily these days.

With any luck, the vast wealth of the corporates will become irrelevant and they will be swept away by inexpensive start-ups.

Our website is a reflection of our philosophy that the OWO’s gatekeepers are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Anyone or any group with ideas, creativity and something to say doesn’t need to go to banks and beg for money. You don’t need to hire expensive programmers, designers, advertisers, lawyers, managers, executives and public relations experts.

It sickens us that inside-dopesters would rather waste their time on utterly futile exercises of trying to trace our IP address rather than doing something constructive we their lives.

What have the inside-dopesters “proved” – that our site is hosted by “Mr Site” and we use their cheap software for non web-developers. Big Deal! It was never a mystery in the first place. So, does that mean we’re frauds, or that we’re working for the CIA or MI5? Have the inside-dopesters caught us bang to rights, just as they caught the Reptilians and the 9/11 inside-job team?

God save us from conspiracy theorists! They’re just the latest version of Abrahamists, prepared to believe in anything if it makes them feel good.
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Treachery:

AN ADMINISTRATOR OF THE MOVEMENT – “Sophia” – openly attacked the position of the Illuminati: “Agree with you. The stance A/C takes is not only naive and contrary to the whole point of scientific enquiry, the establishment of hard facts, it is also detrimental to ‘M’ by putting off many people. Only a fool believes the official conspiracy theory about the central event that has enabled TPTB to rain down a barrage of disgusting legislations upon us, start new wars that since have killed hundred thousand innocent civilians. Only a fool would talk all day about OWO tyranny and then reject the mountain of evidence, that could, if brought to light bring down the very people that are central in this ‘game’. But hey, why would we care, it’s not like they murdered and continue to murder people right?” –Sophia

Two members of this Illuminati cell are PhD scientists. (55% of the Illuminati are educated to PhD level, and two thirds of those are PhD scientists.) Speaking from that perspective, we find it astounding that closed-minded bigots can possibly imagine that their amateur-hour, non-science speculations constitute anything that resembles “scientific enquiry”. Conspiracy theorists don’t know anything about science.

That’s the whole problem. They think that wild, unsupported conjecture is “fact”. They have zero understanding of the scientific method. The only reason we are in a position to criticize science is that so many of us are from highly qualified scientific backgrounds.

We have contempt for the kind of scientifically illiterate people who watch YouTube propaganda videos and think they are “fact”. Every single point raised by the conspiracy theorists concerning 9/11 has been explicitly refuted or discredited. The “mountain of evidence” points in a single direction – that Muslim maniacs were responsible for 9/11 using hijacked planes with huge fuel loads that were slammed into buildings in such a way as to fatally damage the structural integrity. The only mystery about 9/11 is why so many non-scientists and non-engineers imagine that their uninformed opinions make them experts on subjects they have never studied and know nothing about.

If you’re clueless about relativity theory, quantum mechanics and M-theory, what makes you imagine you have one meaningful thing to say about the science of 9/11? Where are your qualifications? Where’s your MERIT?

The whole point of meritocracy is to place those who know what they’re talking about in positions of power. The whole point of nonmeritocracy is to make every clown imagine they have a valid opinion that ought to be respected. WRONG.

9/11 conspiracy theories represent amateurs thinking they know more than professionals, and it’s for exactly the same reason that the world has to endure Abrahamism. Billions of morons think that ancient books are superior to science, that “belief” beats facts.

Conspiracy theorists are believers too, and they convince themselves that anti-scientific junk is “proof”. They trot out a few controversialists from the scientific community to support their claims and they imagine that a maverick’s opinion counts for more than scientific consensus – because all the rest are somehow “in on it”.

While it’s certainly true that the scientific establishment can be wrong, there is not one scintilla of evidence to indicate that it got anything wrong regarding 9/11.

Why is that a decade after the most studied event in history, only conspiracy theorists think Muslims weren’t responsible for 9/11?

Don’t they realise they’ve become part of a religion that refuses to listen to the mountain of evidence proving them wrong? They’re like the Muslims who believe the Earth is flat because the Koran says so.

Being in a “dialogue” with a conspiracy theorist is as futile as trying to get any sense from a Muslim.

Facts are not at issue – they point to exactly where the blame rightly lies – only belief.

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In a thread on 9/11, “Phantom” said: “My view practically corresponds with the A/C site as I already had a similar opinion before ever finding A/C. I tend to see it from the Law of Necessity; where is the relevance to it in my life? To me, it has no relevance to debate idiotic things and detracts from my time to be spreading the 9/11 “truth” when I could be doing better things with my life and opinions.

1 pop video is approximately 3 minutes long. 300 million people watching it amounts to 900 million minutes altogether, which is 15 million accumulated hours. It takes 10,000 hours of practice to fully master some skill, and it takes about 60 minutes of intelligent social interaction between 2 or more people to birth a new perspective. “The more knowledge that you have, the more points of contact you have with the divine mind.” –Phantom

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That’s exactly the type of approach we want to endorse. Why are 9/11 conspiracy theorists wasting so much time on this subject? There’s no mileage in it at all. Everyone knows who carried out 9/11 – 19 Muslims in a martyrdom operation organised by Osama Bin Laden to strike back at the Great Satan America for supporting Zionist Israel and for having infidel army bases in Arab nations. What’s hard to understand? Anyone who rejects the facts is essentially claiming that there is no such phenomenon as Islamic Jihad. Why don’t they try doing some research on the subject? Then they will discover that thousands of Islamic terrorist operations have been carried out all over the world, killing tens of thousands of innocent people. 9/11 was the pinnacle of that campaign. It was a low-tech operation that took America by surprise.

Don’t forget that in 1941 America was practically on a war-footing with Imperial Japan and still managed to be taken totally by surprise at Pearl Harbor. The Japanese used the code TORA, TORA, TORA to signal that they had achieved total surprise. The 9/11 hijackers could just as well have said the same thing. Conspiracy theorists refuse to believe that America is capable of being surprised. Their belief in the infallibility of the authorities is something of a conundrum. If the authorities are so good, their alleged 9/11 inside job would have been flawless, leaving no smoke for the conspiracy theories to interpret as a fire. It’s always the same with the inside-dopesters. They think that everyone is fooled except them, and that makes them the biggest fools of all.

Using Phantom’s calculations, it’s easily possible that more than a TRILLION HOURS of analysis have been devoted to 9/11. Result? – the official version is undented. Look at Watergate. A couple of journalists brought down a President over a fairly trivial event. If an army of millions of conspiracy theorists can’t land a single serious punch on the official version of 9/11 it’s because there’s no target there.

Given what happened with Watergate when the most powerful man in the world was forced to resign over a cover-up, why would people in the White House in 2001 expect to get away with the most heinous act of treason of all time? Just one loose thread would cause the whole alleged conspiracy to unravel. Would YOU take that risk? If you would, you’d be insane. Why would ultra rich people having a great lifestyle risk their lives to engineer a pretext for war against Iraq by slaughtering their own citizens?

The official reason for the war against Iraq was to remove WMD – weapons of mass destruction. Yet no WMD were found. Would the 9/11 conspiracy theorists like to explain why the alleged 9/11 conspirators were so inept that they couldn’t even manage to plant a few WMD? The credibility and reputation of Bush and Blair were destroyed by the failure to find WMD in Iraq. How could such people have pulled off 9/11 if they couldn’t even rustle up a few planted biological and nuclear weapons to justify their war?

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The Old World Order are guilty of endless crimes against the people. No one needs to label them with crimes they didn’t commit when there are so many they DID commit. They have destroyed countless lives with their greed and selfishness. They have destroyed the potential of billions of people.

They only understand one language: power. Their power comes from money. If you want to destroy their power, you must follow the money and take it away from them, and stop them passing it on to their families.

100% inheritance tax is the only way to stop the OWO, yet most of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists would stand utterly opposed to such a tax. That’s the real tragedy, and shows how effectively the OWO have brainwashed the masses.

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The Movement, if it’s to be worthwhile, must attract people such as Pho’ and Phantom, and repel the sort of people who are full of bile and have nothing to contribute other than dredging up disproved conspiracy theories.

To beat the Old World Order, we need to assemble a group of people who are smarter, more creative, more dynamic, more disciplined and tougher.

People from unprivileged backgrounds who achieve PhDs are MUCH smarter than privileged preppies piling out of Harvard Business School with MBAs and golden tickets to million dollar salaries.

Look at where the “wonder workers” of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia and Goldman Sachs have led the world – to the brink of economic meltdown. These “geniuses” have failed in every regard.

Why? Because their purpose wasn’t to create a healthy, stable economy, but to enrich themselves. All economic systems collapse for one reason only: the greed of those running the economy. If you want a rational, predictable economy you have to make it impossible for the greed gang to drive the economy over the cliff in search of higher returns for themselves.

We said the MBA geniuses got it wrong. Of course, that only means in relation to the rest of us. In terms of themselves, they got exactly what they set out to accomplish – enormous personal wealth. They aren’t the ones suffering while the economy goes into a death spiral.

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The Illuminati is a secret society for smart people. We’ll be blunt. We don’t like stupid people. We don’t want to be in their company. We don’t want to listen to their bizarre, uninformed theories. We don’t want to be around people contaminated with superstition, faith and irrationality. We don’t want to hear dumb conspiracy theories.

If we could get on a spaceship and leave the idiots and dunces behind, we would. We would love to colonize a New Earth in space and let the Abrahamists and conspiracy theorists ooze back into the primordial slime whence they came. We, on the other hand, will get on with the project to form the Community of Gods, the Society of the Divine. You can be sure no stupid people will be playing any role in its creation.

Unlike David Icke, we’re not running a business. We don’t need to court popularity and seek as many new recruits as possible so that we can flog our merchandise to them.

We don’t care about alienating people, or making enemies. If we come across as arrogant, so what? Many of us have climbed out of the gutter and achieved astonishing things in our respective fields of expertise. We overcame the odds. We had no silver spoons in our mouths. We had no networks of influential friends and family. We had no privileged education, no access to private tutors and the best schools and teachers.

We clawed our way up from nothing against overwhelming odds. We are determined people, highly confident in our own abilities. We trust each other implicitly. We don’t suffer fools gladly and we’re not trying to win any popularity contests. All we care about are truth, freedom, and maximising our human potential. We hate those who block our path. We hate everyone who doesn’t “get it”.

The Old World Order will be undone by the contradictions inherent in how they run the world. The gap between rich and poor keeps getting wider. Resentment towards the rich is growing at an enormous rate. One day soon, the whole Fools’ paradise of the rich will collapse. The people will take back what the rich stole from them. New leaders will be required for the New Age. Will you be one of them?

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Did you know that the Norwegian Christian Fundamentalist mass murderer had a vision of society that was even worse than that of the Muslims he hated so much? It’s surprising that he wasn’t a Muslim himself given that his views were so backward. He spelt out his “utopia” (Hell to everyone else) in his 1,500 page manifesto. He was certainly right that Islam must be stopped and certainly wrong that fascist Christian Fundamentalism was the “solution”. He quoted philosopher John Stuart Mill: “One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests.” We would express it rather differently: “One person who knows what he’s doing is equal to the force of a million who don’t.”

The Old World Order have triumphed over the world using a set of extremely primitive but astoundingly powerful tools. Their implementation of their techniques has become increasingly sophisticated, but at root they’re just variations of Pavlovian conditioning. The game is simple – to get the simple masses to absorb and internalise the values of the ruling elite.

The Illuminati reject everything the OWO stand for. We reject their wealth, their nepotism, their cronyism, their “family first” policy, their system of privilege, their use of money to buy advantages denied to others. We reject their morality, their Abrahamist religions of control, their claims to “divine right” to rule. We reject their freedumb and dumbocracy.

Our task is to strip bare the immoral basis of the ruling elite’s morality. Nietzsche wrote an astonishing book called The Genealogy of Morals where he analysed the evolutionary development of morals from earlier forms. Once morality is seen as something that evolves then its claims to absolute and eternal validity are overthrown.

Perhaps there was a time when it was right and sensible to keep the stupid masses under control by terrifying them out of their wits with what would happen if they disobeyed “God” while promising them the highest reward possible – Paradise – if they obeyed.

That time is over. Now is the time to attack stupidity and educate the people.

Elite groups can wield control only over submissive, stupid, fearful sheeple. To bring elites to an end, it is necessary to revalue all values, reprogram the people, remove the brainwashing to which they’ve been subjected and to implement systems that produce smart, free, capable, talented, ambitious, independent, autonomous individuals who can see right through any attempts to condition and manipulate them. This new version of humanity would never permit the rise of any privileged elite.

The idea of an elite is inextricably linked with that of God. All that any elite has to do is convince the superstitious masses that God appointed them and that to disobey them is to disobey God himself. The sheeple therefore think that the elite are the legitimate authority, the rightful rulers.

Imagine a Papal election where the College of Cardinals didn’t decide who would be Pope, but rather every Catholic in the world was given a vote. Can there be any doubt that “One Catholic One Vote” would result in the end of Catholicism within a single generation? All the mystique would dissolve. The “magic” would vanish. The Wizard of Oz would be totally exposed.

The last thing that any system of authority wants is the involvement of the masses. Imagine an American election where there were no official political parties and anyone could stand. Imagine Congress being full of ordinary men and women from all backgrounds who had managed to win the support of their peers.

Would Congress be recognisable? Absolutely anyone could be President rather than someone funded by Wall Street and in the pocket of lobbyists.

Wouldn’t that be REAL democracy? But of course that’s what the people must never have. They must always be given the illusion, never the reality.

Only suckers and sheeple play along. Forget 9/11. Campaign for a new political system that makes the Democrats and Republicans ILLEGAL. They’re as bad as each other. Let’s have hundreds of independent political parties. Let’s make it possible for an unrecognised genius without two cents to rub together to become President.

The world is ruled by fantasy, delusion, superstition, irrationality, faith, prejudice and privilege. Isn’t it time we started running it rationally, scientifically and fairly?
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9/11:

“America has been hit by Allah at its most vulnerable point, destroying, thank God, its most prestigious building.” –Osama bin Laden, 7 October 2001

Rather an odd thing for a Muslim to say if 9/11 was a Mossad/CIA operation.

15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabians espousing Wahhabism, the most virulent form of Islam that calls for Islamic domination of the world and the global imposition of Sharia Law, for absolute intolerance of heresy and apostasy, for the wholesale destruction of Israel, for women to be totally subordinate to men, for Islamic theocracy to replace democracy.

Mohammed Atta, the Egyptian psychopath who led the hijackers, stipulated in his will: “The person who will wash my body near my genitals must wear gloves on his hands so he won’t touch my genitals…I don’t want any women to go to my grave at all during my funeral or on any occasion thereafter.”

The Wahhabites particularly despised New York, with its Zionist powerbase in Wall Street, its large Jewish population, its sexually liberated women, its fondness for drink, drugs and partying. It was a perfect target.

The hijackers wanted to drive out the American infidels located in several military bases in Saudi Arabia. These infidels were defiling the sacred homeland of Islam, the holy ground where Mohammed himself once walked. They wanted to attack America for its constant support for Zionist Israel, regardless of the number of atrocities carried out by the Zionists against the Muslim Palestinians. They wanted to call, in the most dramatic fashion, for an Islamic Caliphate uniting all the Islamic nations. And they wanted to end the sanctions that had been imposed on Iraq for many years, leading to a humanitarian disaster that was harming children in particular.

Why don’t the “Truthers” think the Wahhabites were supremely motivated to strike against the Great Satan? It’s because they are absolutely ignorant of Wahhabism and have made no attempt at all to study it. Know thy enemy! The Truthers haven’t the vaguest idea who the enemy is.

Here’s the “logic” of the Truthers. The elite want to impose drastic controls on the people (true). A major terrorist incident would give them the pretext (true). Therefore, they conclude, the elite engineered the terrorist incident themselves. They seem entirely oblivious to the fact that many people all across the world hate America and wish it serious harm. They think, perversely, that only Americans are motivated to attack America (!). They also think that no one other than the CIA, Mossad and U.S. Special Forces are capable of pulling off a terrorist incident. They think that 9/11 was some extremely sophisticated operation that a bunch of “rag heads” could never have accomplished.

In fact, 9/11 was about as crude as you could get. Nineteen Muslims used box cutters and fake bombs to hijack four planes and terrify their passengers (none of whom would have expected to die since hijackings had never before resulted in suicide operations) and then crashed them into buildings not long after take-off. There’s nothing difficult to grasp. The only thing cruder would have been something along the lines of the previous Islamic terrorist attack on the Twin Towers in 1993 – when they drove a truck bomb packed with explosives into the public parking garage beneath the World Trade Centre. Their intention was that the North Tower’s foundations would be so weakened by the massive explosion that the tower would topple over and hit the South Tower, bringing both towers down and killing thousands. “If at first you don’t succeed, try and try again!”

Why can’t people accept the blindingly obvious facts? Was 1993 a dry run by Mossad and the CIA? Surely the Truthers must offer a full explanation of 1993 as an inside job if we are to conclude that 9/11 was an inside job too. After all, it would be extremely bizarre to conclude that 1993 was carried out by Muslim maniacs but 9/11 wasn’t. If the Muslims did it once, they could certainly do it again, and do it better with a more effective plan.

Sharia Law – which advocates the stoning of adulterers, amputations of limbs for theft, the death penalty for homosexuality and apostasy – is supported by around 80% of Muslims. These people should not be regarded as gentle, compassionate, forgiving people. They are intolerant savages and anyone who has ever read the Koran knows that only the Torah exceeds it in terms of brutality and terror. Why would anyone think these people couldn’t be responsible for 9/11?

Most Muslims want Islam to be a central guiding principle of their society i.e. for Islam to be very much in the public sphere. They believe that democracy and Islam are entirely compatible, yet it’s impossible to believe that non-Muslim minorities would be properly protected in explicitly Islamic States. There’s no sign of genuine modernisation or enlightenment in any Islamic country, and failing to separate the State and religion in extremist countries can never lead to democracy – only to theocracy (like Iran).
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Illuminatus (operating as a skeptic): I can’t believe any astrophysicist would give any credence to Nibiru. It’s supposed to be a “12th” planet within our solar system – so any competent astronomer would be aware of it. Its orbit would have to be utterly bizarre, and probably defying the laws of physics, for it to come anywhere near us. What astronomers worry about is stuff heading our way from deep space that they can’t see and track yet: they’re not concerned about anything in an orbit in our own solar system.

Besides, earth has probably already suffered a planetary collision with a planet called Thea; the collision that produced the moon. If such a collision took place again, all human life would vanish. Arguably all life of any description would become extinct on earth. No conspiracy is going to keep that a secret!

Does Nibiru get hooked up to the New World Order and the Illuminati and the Reptilians somehow?

JC LeSinge: “Nibiru’s orbit around the Sun is highly elliptical, according to Sitchin’s books, taking it out beyond the orbit of Pluto at its farthest point and bringing it as close to the Sun as the far side of the asteroid belt (a ring of asteroids that is known to occupy a band of space between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter). It takes Nibiru 3,600 years to complete one orbital journey, and it was last in this vicinity around 160 B.C.E. As you can imagine, the gravitational effects of a sizable planet moving close to the inner solar system, as it is claimed for Nibiru, could wreak havoc on the orbits of other planets, disrupt the asteroid belt and spell big trouble for planet Earth.”

Illuminatus: Eh? Sounds like complete bullshit!!! Are they saying that Nibiru is going to collide with the earth, or that’s it’s going to collide with another planet that will then somehow affect the earth, or that it’s going to direct an asteroid in our direction, or that it’s going to alter gravity for the earth? One thing’s for sure – ancient Sumerians or Mayans wouldn’t have had a clue what “Nibiru” is going to do since they weren’t aware of half of the planets back in the day, never mind a rogue planet like Nibiru! Also, if it completes an orbit every 3,600 years then that means it has does its thing loads of times before – so why are we suddenly worried this time around? It doesn’t make any sense at all.

JC LeSinge: I’ll tackle Nibiru in reverse order…

Yes! The ancient Sumerians did indeed know about the solar system; they have a number of detailed astronomical charts that clearly show the sun and planets. The Mayans too were excellent astronomers; see the 2012 Mayan Calendar Conspiracy.

No, Nibiru is not meant to hit the earth; the elliptical orbit carries it near to the out range of the asteroid belt, not within; the Sumerian tablets translated by Sitchin describe the Annunaki crossing the asteroid belt ships to reach Earth.

Yes, of course it’s all hooked up with the Illuminati and the lizards: depending on to whom you listen, the Annunaki are the lizards and the Illuminati are the last of their human servants. Another version has it that the Annunaki are the giants and the lizards another species, either from another dimension or from the Hollow Earth.

There are variants on these two main themes; some have it that the lizards are coming, others that they are already here, and so on and so forth.

Planetary collision; by the figure 3600 years, Nibiru has theoretically passed close to the Earth at least three times in recorded history. Therefore: No, not all life would be extinguished. There are odd records around these times of comets and extreme weather, a couple of minor cataclysms, but no conclusive evidence.

Elliptical Orbit: The theory is that about half of solar systems are dual-binary, having two stars. The idea is that the Earth is unusual in having only one sun, and that somewhere out in the Oort Cloud or the Kuiper Belt (the outermost clouds of dust and asteroids that ring the solar system) there could be a large low-mass ‘aborted star’. The evidence for this is the slightly elliptical nature of the orbits of Pluto, Neptune and Uranus, as if something in the outer solar system were perturbing them.

This is what I put to the astrophysicists; they said that in theory the Oort Cloud is far enough out and dense enough that we could not reliably detect an object as big as Jupiter by the most commonly used means, and that people were studying just that sort of question.

Whether or not Nibiru was barrelling towards us didn’t come into the question; I was just curious if the basics of the theory were plausible. Apparently they are; “Maybe,” said the astrophysicists.

How about Hollow Earth? That’s a good one.

Illuminatus: So, is the theory that the Sumerians and Mayans were better astronomers than the ancient Greeks (who never mentioned Nibiru), and, more importantly, Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo etc? Bear in mind that western European astronomers only discovered Neptune in 1846, and that they were led there by Newton’s gravitational theory, which had revealed oddities in the orbit of Uranus, suggesting that another hitherto unknown planet was causing the effect. Bear in mind also that western astronomers had telescopes – and there’s no evidence whatever that anyone prior to them did. Also, given the Hubble Telescope and the work of many observatories, I don’t think any astronomer would claim that an aborted star is hiding in our solar system – well, apart from Jupiter itself, of course.

Anyway, doesn’t this all sound rather like Ron L Hubbard’s Thetan theory? Are the anti-NWO all secret Scientologists? The Nazis were quite keen on the Hollow Earth theory. I think Hitler, the SS and various Tibetan monks are hiding down there, powered by Vril!

So, I presume the Reptilians and Illuminati are keeping it secret that an invasion force is on its way from Nibiru? Why didn’t they conquer us last time round? Invasion craft must already have arrived in the past if the Reptilians are walking amongst us now? Why are they having to skulk around if they’re so powerful?

And why haven’t they stopped David Icke yet? Is he the main proponent of this theory? On a scale of 0 to 10, where are you on the Nibiru scale? A firm believer, or a total skeptic?

JC LeSinge: I’m not a ‘believer’ in anything; if I find an idea or opinion of mine is only a belief, I actively dismiss it as objective fact. I’m happy with the astrophysicist’s answer about Nibiru: “Maybe.”

Thing about all these Conspiracies Theories is that they could be true… but if they are then we will never know and it makes no difference to our lives. I like the sense of mystery; a few hundred years ago we’d have entertained notions of faeries in the woods, but in the modern day we prefer to contemplate aliens. I am logically sure that there are aliens, and reasonably convinced that intelligent life is more prolific on other worlds than is generally believed, but I suspect that if we were to encounter aliens, it would be a totally mundane process; big media hype, long wait while life returned to normal, then an alien cop appearing in CSI and suddenly your sister is dating one… society would hardly notice. If an alien invasion were touted as a serious threat, it would just replace the myth of terrorists that currently popular.

I don’t know that the Sumerians or Mayans were better than anyone else in particular, just that they were better than they generally get credit for. The Sumerians claimed that all their knowledge of the solar system came from aliens, or so I’ve read.

I’ve heard the idea that Jupiter is a failed star; one thing these astro-boffins I spoke to said was that there’s no working definition between a star and a planet other than apparent size. Jupiter is large enough support a mini-system of moons the size of the Earth, as is Saturn. They didn’t say there was a ‘dead twin’ star out there; just that people had been looking for something like that and that it would not be as easy to detect as we might think. They also said very clearly that it was an ‘idea’, not a ‘theory’.

Re L Ron… I do sometimes have this thought, yes, but there’s no cash-cult operating behind the scenes of the conspiracy circuit. There are a lot of people selling books and DVDs, and some folk get upset about that.

As to the rest, David Icke, the details of interaction between Reptilians and Illuminati, who’s who… that’s where it all become total supposition (as opposed to wild conjecture), and Conspiracy nuts get into long arguments about their own personal version of how it all fits together.

Hollow Earth… I like the Hollow Earth idea. It took me a while to come around to it, and I’m saying nothing one way or the other on inner-earth countries, people, animals, seas, etc. but it does make an odd kind of sense for planets to be hollow, like geodes, and it really is only an assumption that the Earth is a solid sphere; to my knowledge, this is one that no one can prove either way.

Illuminatus: Have you got any more conspiracy theories that I ought to know about? I love the way conspiracy theories mutate and become all embracing. For example, the Nibiru theory could be a stand-alone theory, yet suddenly the Illuminati and international bankers and reptilians etc all get thrown into the mix too. You have to admire the ingenuity of some of these conspiracy theories.

JC LeSinge: It’s not the theories that wacky; it’s the people who sit darkly muttering about them to anyone who’ll listen. A lot of it is based on fairly sound reasoning if unsound facts; a lot is just egomaniacal paranoid drivel. It really depends on who’s spouting it; a bunch of people I know on YT have recently taken a deeper plunge into the crazy pool lately. I’m staying out of their debates. What’s really funny is when you meet someone randomly in normal life who knows about conspiracy theories, whether they believe them or not.

Then there’s this tense ‘feeling each other out’ in conversation that basically amounts to whispering, “You know about the lizards, right?” and the person gives it “Shhh!”

New conspiracies… ok, life on the moon? There’s a guy does lectures based on CS Lewis’ Planets Trilogy, basically making a living by saying every word of it is true. Then there’s the other moon landing hoax theory; that the US went to the moon, found something incredible there, and faked the footage to make us all think it was a dead ball of rock. There are some who say the moon is artificial, and that the aliens have a base there. Apparently the gravity-well formed by the moon is the quickest and easiest way to get a shuttle out into space, and whoever controls the moon controls space flight from Earth to Mars.

Obviously there’s life on Mars too; I’m of the opinion that NASA would lie to us regardless and that the idea of a dead, barren universe is far more silly and illogical than the notion that there might be other in our solar system, intelligent or otherwise. That’s just my opinion though; have you seen CSI lately? Looks like Star Trek. Welcome to the 21st Century, we have communicators, all we need are teleporters and aliens and we’ll be off into the new millennium at last.

How’s that for a start?

Illuminatus: What was your theory about why so many people have turned to conspiracy theories? Did you say it was a replacement for a religion? Or the modern version of fairytales and goblins?

I find the moon stuff rather dull. Even Nibiru is better!

As for life on Mars, I think most scientists are expecting to find it (single cells and slime – not intelligent life!)

What do you know about the “13 bloodlines”?

JC LeSinge: Both: Conspiracy Theories fulfil the role of religion to ‘explain’ the unknown (“Aliens/Lizards/Jesus/Thor did it”). Part of the foundation of that idea is the similarity between Fairy tales and modern UFO Abduction myths.

The 13 Bloodlines… it’s the idea that there is only one Royal Family, the Saxe Coburgs, who have assimilated all other ruling dynasties in Europe and much of the world, and that this Royal Bloodline in 13 strands traces back through Jesus to the Lizard People from Nibiru who conquered Sumeria.

Re the Royals themselves, its true; about the first thing anyone ever learns is that ‘only a prince can marry a princess’ and that Royalty are special. That’s been going on for at least 1,000 years, so by now there IS only one European Royal Family. The rest of it stretches even my suspension of disbelief, to be honest. Somehow these 13 Bloodlines run the Illuminati, and therefore everything else.

Naturally, they rule the world and plan to kill us all very soon as the culmination of a 1,000 year plan to kill us all and rule the world. The inherent contradiction there is one most Conspiracy nuts miss.

Illuminatus: Are these the 13 bloodlines?

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/

Can’t stand the Royal Family, so I’m glad they’re in the firing line!!!

I once heard a guy claiming that the Royal Family are part of a huge paedophile ring and that he was one of their victims. They use mind control via the Holy Grail, which is supposedly hidden under the victory bell on Nelson’s Column in Trafalgar Square in London.

Right, a few questions…

Are the 13 bloodlines descended from the Lizard people?

Is Jesus descended from Lizard people?

Why didn’t the Lizard people conquer the whole world while they were conquering Sumeria?

Can’t the Lizard people get reinforcements from Nibiru?

Presumably they have spaceships? Why is it important for Nibiru to come close to the earth?

Why did the Illuminati help with the French Revolution if they’re on the side of the 13 bloodlines (including the French Royal Family!)?

Yes, I’ve noticed that many conspiracy theories seem to conclude with most of the earth’s population being wiped out. I think the idea is that there are just too many of us, and 1 billion is a more manageable slave population.

JC LeSinge: Re ‘The Watcher Files’… Are these the 13 Bloodlines?

Could be, but then people also make shit up, right? I haven’t read enough on the subject to know off hand who the 13 families allegedly are, although I’d think HRH and the Pope would inevitably have to be on the list, and the Rothschilds are notoriously rich and secretive.

The Merovingians are supposedly the bloodline of the ancient Kelts who came through Northern Spain; their chief druids and kings descended from the Egyptians. There is some validity to that theory, but an archaeological link between Keltic Britain and Egypt via Spain doesn’t prove any more than that there was greater commerce in the ancient world than we generally believe.

1) Are the 13 bloodlines descended from the Lizard people? Yes, is the short answer. The 13 Bloodlines think they’re special because they descend from alien ‘Gods’.

2) Is Jesus descended from Lizard people?

Good question; I don’t know, but I’m sure plenty of people would say ‘yes’. Where Jesus fits into all this depends largely on a person’s religious views; about half of conspiracy theorists think Jesus is coming to save us from the evil Satanic conspiracy, the other half think every word of the Bible is propaganda and mind-control. I know which sounds more likely to me.

3) Why didn’t the Lizard people conquer the whole world while they were conquering Sumeria?

They did; every mythology on Earth has the story of the Lizard people conquering the world, it’s just that the Sumerian and Vedic accounts are the oldest and most explicit in their descriptions of UFOs and alien worlds.

4) Can’t the Lizard people get reinforcements from Nibiru?

Presumably they have spaceships? Why is it important for Nibiru to come close to the earth?

It’s important for Nibiru to come close to Earth for the same reason we can only reach Mars at certain times of year; there are only limited ‘windows’ in the planet’s orbit where Nibiru passes close enough to hop from there to here without some hi-tech sci-fi method.

The Sumerian Tablet (the one that Sitchin allegedly translated) and the Bhagavad-Gita contain descriptions of spaceships, so yes, otherwise how’d they get from there to here? The other option is that the Lizards are native to this planet, living inside the Hollow Earth, or that they’re pan-dimensional and arrive here by possessing clone human bodies or willing hosts (such as heads of state)…

Can they get reinforcements…? Presumably not; there was apparently a war or some schism between the Annunaki (there’s one theory that goes that the Lizard People are only one race among a number that visited Earth; other sources put the Reptilians as native to this planet and the people of Nibiru being ‘The Giants’ of legend).

Apparently, once they’d genetically engineered the human race, there was a disagreement; one bunch of aliens wanted to use us as slave labour, the others disagreed. It’s apparently the question of humans and what to do with us that sparks the war in multiple versions, and echoes the notion of a ‘war in heaven’ found in the Bible.

5) Why did the Illuminati help with the French Revolution if they’re on the side of the 13 bloodlines (including the French Royal Family!)

That’s a tough one… historically the Illuminati were aligned to revolutionary causes. The conspiracy theorists usually try and tie Adam Wieshaupt (the founder of the Illuminati) in with George Washington as part of some world-wide Satanic plot to overthrow ‘God’s chosen’ royalty… but that would completely contradict history, not to mention every other conspiracy theory going, and basic common sense.

Here’s one for you; leaving aside Evolution as the mainstream theory, which is more believable, the Biblical Creation Myth or the Ancient Astronauts theory (Nibiru etc)?

Illuminatus: Well, the reason I believe in life on other planets is that if Evolution can randomly produce life on this planet then there’s no reason why it shouldn’t do the same on other suitable planets too. In other words, I only believe in aliens because of Evolution. Without Evolutionary theory, I think the Biblical Creation Myth would actually sound more plausible than Ancient Astronauts. And, of course, I would immediately ask the question – who created the Ancient Alien Astronauts? In other words, I would still be in the realm of having to come up with a creation myth. So, I’m afraid, Creation myths always trump any theory that doesn’t involve Evolution.

Re ‘The Watcher Files’… Are these the 13 Bloodlines? Could be, but then people also make shit up, right? I haven’t read enough on the subject to know off hand who the 13 families allegedly are, although I’d think HRH and the Pope would inevitably have to be on the list, and the Rothschilds are notoriously rich and secretive.

Yes, I guess anyone could come up with anything, but I bet most of the 13 bloodlines that get bandied around are probably similar to the ones in the Watcher Files list. The Rothschilds will certainly be on every list!!! As for the Pope, he’s elected to his position, so there’s less reason to believe he’s connected with the 13 bloodlines.

Bloodlines rely on inheritance rather than election, although, of course, elections can be rigged to favour the candidates of the bloodlines.

The Merovingians are supposedly the bloodline of the ancient Kelts who came through Northern Spain; their chief druids and kings descended from the Egyptians. There is some validity to that theory, but an archaeological link between Keltic Britain and Egypt via Spain doesn’t prove any more than that there was greater commerce in the ancient world than we generally believe.

Well, there’s a theory that the Scots are descended from an Egyptian princess called Scota, and that Biblical characters supposedly went to Ireland and Scotland.

Yes, is the short answer. The 13 Bloodlines think they’re special because they descend from alien ‘Gods’.

Doesn’t DNA conclusively refute this? If they were descended from aliens they would definitely have different DNA from those who weren’t thus descended. And could they breed in the first place? Look at poor old Neanderthal Man. He must have been more compatible with us than Reptilians!

Good question; I don’t know, but I’m sure plenty of people would say ‘yes’. Where Jesus fits into all this depends largely on a person’s religious views; about half of conspiracy theorists think Jesus is coming to save us from the evil Satanic conspiracy, the other half think every word of the Bible is propaganda and mind-control. I know which sounds more likely to me.

So, are the two groups of conspiracy theorists always attacking each other? After all, each is Satanic in relation to the other.

They did; every mythology on Earth has the story of the Lizard people conquering the world, it’s just that the Sumerian and Vedic accounts are the oldest and most explicit in their descriptions of UFOs and alien worlds.

What mythologies are you talking about? Gods are certainly mentioned, but not reptilians. And I’m not aware of any conquest myths i.e. no one says a group of people from another world landed on this planet and fought and conquered the people who lived here. ‘Aliens’, ‘other planets’ etc would have been concepts that meant practically nothing to ancient peoples. I presume you’re referring to ‘gods from the sky’ being reinterpreted as reptilians from other worlds, and heaven and hell being reinterpreted as alien worlds. This is Erich Von Daniken territory, of course. It’s important for Nibiru to come close to Earth for the same reason we can only reach Mars at certain times of year; there are only limited ‘windows’ in the planet’s orbit where Nibiru passes close enough to hop from there to here without some hi-tech sci-fi method.

But look how much we’ve achieved in terms of space travel in just fifty years. You can be sure that in three thousand years from now, we’ll be doing amazing things in space (if we’re still around). If the aliens had primitive invasion craft thousands of years ago then they must be total retards if they haven’t become vastly more technologically advanced since then. And don’t they communicate with Nibiru? – in which case we should detect their transmissions. It seems to me that Conspiracy theorists spend far more time looking for ways to bolster this Nibiru theory rather than ways to demolish it. If they conquered us, why aren’t we enslaved in any obvious way? Why don’t they show themselves and exploit their power over us? Selfevidently, we haven’t been conquered since conquerors don’t go skulking around hiding from the people they’ve conquered. Did William the Conqueror immediately hide from the Anglo Saxons after the Battle Of Hastings? It’s crazy. And can the reptilians breed with us (highly unlikely!). And what’s their life span? Are they still giving birth? (implying female reptilians in the invasion force). Etc etc.

There are innumerable problems with this theory.

The Sumerian Tablet (the one that Sitchin allegedly translated) and the Bhagavad-Gita contain descriptions of spaceships, so yes, otherwise how’d they get from there to here? The other option is that the Lizards are native to this planet, living inside the Hollow Earth, or that they’re pan-dimensional and arrive here by possessing clone human bodies or willing hosts (such as heads of state)…

Ancient people had chariots. Gods, coming from the sky, obviously travelled in “sky chariots”. Sky chariots were then reinterpreted as spaceships. Where are these spaceships? Did none crash? Did they deposit their invasion force and then leave? But surely they would come back regularly to check on progress? Or is that what UFOs are? Hollow Earth????? Er, there’s no scientific evidence that earth is hollow and a vast amount of evidence that it’s not. What about volcanoes – where’s the lava coming from? What about earthquakes?

A hollow earth wouldn’t be a comfortable place for anyone! Where are the exit points to the surface? So, large, intelligent reptilian humanoids evolved inside the earth? What do they eat? What about the lack of sun? Can they see? Why did they come to the surface? Why go back inside once they had reached the surface? Etc. etc.

Can they get reinforcements…? Presumably not; there was apparently a war or some schism between the Annunaki (there’s one theory that goes that the Lizard People are only one race among a number that visited Earth; other sources put the Reptilians as native to this planet and the people of Nibiru being ‘The Giants’ of legend).

Apparently, once they’d genetically engineered the human race, there was a disagreement; one bunch of aliens wanted to use us as slave labour, the others disagreed. It’s apparently the question of humans and what to do with us that sparks the war in multiple versions, and echoes the notion of a ‘war in heaven’ found in the Bible.

And yet they are expecting reinforcements from Nibiru in 2012?

So now we’re making things even more complicated by introducing new alien races. So the Reptilians native to earth – though never seen by anyone – are waging a war against the Nibiru aliens (Giants of legend) who were here once before but have disappeared (since there are no giants anymore) – but are on their way back the next time Nibiru passes by. I presume all of these aliens are invisible and influence humans via mind control? Ah, genetic engineering. So presumably that allows them to manipulate human DNA at will? They didn’t do a very good job, did they? But, anyway, to what end?

What are they engineering us for? To kill us off? That wouldn’t make any sense. To enslave us? Well, why haven’t they already done it since they’re so far ahead of us technologically? Why did an alien faction decide not to enslave us even though the other one wanted to? What did they want to do instead? What other possible uses could aliens have for us? They want us to “love, serve and obey” them like the Christian God? Why don’t they have prophets and a religion? Why are they so secretive?

That’s a tough one… historically the Illuminati were aligned to revolutionary causes. The conspiracy theorists usually try and tie Adam Wieshaupt (the founder of the Illuminati) in with George Washington as part of some world-wide Satanic plot to overthrow ‘God’s chosen’ royalty… but that would completely contradict history, not to mention every other conspiracy theory going, and basic common sense.

What do these revolutionary plots have to do with advancing the agendas of different alien factions? Which faction are the Illuminati and Masons supporting, and which faction are they opposed to? I think we need to know! You never know, we could be on the wrong side! So God’s chosen royalty are the good guys who are heroically fighting against the Illuminati and Masons? Er, yes, that contradicts absolutely everything, doesn’t it!!!!!

Don’t you find all of this stuff seriously hilarious (!)? A lot of it is even more unbelievable than the Christian, Islamic and Jewish religions. And that’s saying something. The whole thing is completely incoherent. People keep adding new ridiculous elements that contradict existing elements, thus forcing someone to introduce yet more ingredients. The whole thing slides relentlessly into complete absurdity. It’s not at all clear who is conspiring, for what reason, whose side they’re on, what their objectives are, where they come from, what species they are….etc. etc. etc. And this is meant to be an improvement over the religious junk we’re already expected to believe? There must be as many conspiracy theorists as there are conspiracy theories i.e. everyone has their own version.

JC LeSinge: Good points re Evolution & Aliens; I hadn’t considered it from that angle. Also, good point about the Pope…unless the post always goes to someone with the right bloodline. Personally, I reckon the pope is evil, along with the Royals, without going into a single Conspiracy Theory; just look at history.

The Egypt/Celtic link; I read somewhere that the name Guinevere originates in Egypt, and there’s the Kell Bible found at Glastonbury that contains an Egyptian account of the Hebrew Exodus (no mention of God, but it does refer to Nibiru…allegedly). That the Kell Bible exists is generally accepted, but to get anything on-line about it, you have to pay the ‘translator’…

Re: DNA, Bloodlines, alien interbreeding…. “Doesn’t DNA conclusively refute this? If they were descended from aliens they would definitely have different DNA from those who weren’t thus descended. And could they breed in the first place? Look at poor old Neanderthal Man. He must have been more compatible with us than Reptilians!”

No, hah; 90% of human DNA is ‘junk’ DNA, meaning we don’t know what it does, so there could, at the outside of speculation, be all kinds of odd things hidden in there, from alien DNA to psychic powers and evolutionary leaps forward. Question is; what would happen if we could GM that junk DNA out of a person? Would they still be human, would they even be a viable life form?

And Conspiracy Theorists are always arguing, all the time, about everything; if they weren’t, they might actually be dangerous. Which mythologies contain Reptilians, Shining Ones, Sky Chariots and Giants? Um…all of them. Including the Bible. This is my specialist subject (seriously, I have a library of Joseph Campbell’s work and a books on every mythology under the sun).

The Norse myths feature Giants, shining ones and dragons, besides ‘magical’ weapons and vehicles. The Celts tell of a war between the Fomorians (reptilians), the Firbolg (giants) and the Tuatha De Danaan (shining ones), again with the ‘magical’ chariots and weapons. The Aztecs & Mayans worshiped reptilians and shining ones (Quetzequatl was a ‘feathered serpent’ who could assume the shape of a man, arrived and departed through a wormhole, accompanied by snakes….), the South African shaman traditions talk about lizard people hiding in the skin of humans, and again a war with the Shining Ones… obviously, the Bible has the Nephillim (half-breed human/angels), shining ones (angels) and the numerous references to demons as snakes and reptiles, besides the giants such as Goliath and the people of Jericho (who were giants, although that detail is often glossed over). The ancient Vedic myths of India, again, talk about lizard people, giants and shining-ones, alongside battles in the sky between ‘Vimana’, or ‘Sky chariots’… then there’s the Chinese and Japanese myths of dragons turning into men and living underground in palaces, and the shining gods who lived in flying palaces… The Sumerian/Babylonian myths, obviously, which are the source of the name ‘Nibiru’… Greek mythology has giants and shining ones, while there are plenty of reptilian hybrid creatures (medusa, the Sphinx, the Hundred-Arms, dragons…) I could go on and on. Celtic mythology is my main area, though; I can lay out the entire history of the Celts from Lugh to Arthur as a sci-fi epic if you like.

Not that I’m saying its fact, but it is a fascinating new way to look at all those old myths. What I think more likely than the Ancient Astronauts or the ‘It’s All Bunk’ theories is that human civilisation is about twice as old as we reckon and that this is not the first time we’ve achieved advanced technology; that the archaeological evidence is lacking I can account for in three ways. 1) vested academic interests, as affected Egyptian studies and Palaeontology; 2) Timescale; we’re talking pre-Sumerian and there’s precious little left to prove that even they existed or how they lived. 3) Arrogance; amazing inventions have been found from the ancient world, but we assume our ancestors were backward and so reject any contradictory evidence (such as Roman pumps, Greek sea-defences, Egyptian obsidian sunglasses…)

We/they can’t communicate with Nibiru (assuming it exists) for the same reason we can’t see it (yet); it’s out in the Oort Cloud AKA the Kuiper Belt. I spoke to my astrophysicist friend again; radio waves and so on don’t easily penetrate the dust cloud around our solar system. And yes, obviously, we can see the sky and stars and the Milky Way… I’m just repeating the answer I was given by someone who should know (I didn’t ask him directly about Nibiru, just the ‘Nemesis’ or ‘Eris’ object, which is a bit less wacky but in the same field.

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As you can see, there is never any end to these debates. Each side can keep introducing new points almost indefinitely. Well-informed conspiracy theorists like JC LeSinge can bring to bear a host of pseudo-clever points. None of these points is capable of withstanding close scrutiny, but they are often persuasive and beguiling to naïve individuals who chance upon them.

Our message, as always, is to maintain a skeptical attitude. Ask yourself whether it is even remotely likely that things such as the Hollow Earth, Nibiru, Reptilians and Giants truly exist. It was an act of complete desperation when various conspiracy theorists decided to cross-fertilise alien theories straight from sci fi with older conspiracy theories surrounding the Illuminati.

For people who wish a quick and excellent overview of the Nibiru theory, you can find it here on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

This article comprehensively debunks Sitchin’s absurd theory, and by extension all of the nonsense talked in this regard by David Icke etc.

Any conspiracy theorist who endorses Lizard People, Reptilians, Nibiru or any other alien visitation scenario lacks any credibility.

These theories are ludicrous and distract people from the real task of overthrowing the Old World Order. These theories are, of course, fuelled by the Old World Order themselves in order to sow confusion and division. Because they are fascinating and seductive theories (combining science fiction with ancient history and mythology – the future and the past in a neat package), they attract widespread attention. But they are just new myths for a quasi-scientific, pseudorationalist age. In essence, they replace conventional religion with science fiction.

For anyone who’s interested, there are five “dwarf planets” in our solar system. They are: Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake and Eris (Nibiru). Ceres is in the Asteroid Belt that lies between Mars and Jupiter. Therefore, this would make Eris/Nibiru the 13th and not the 12th planet from the sun. Unlucky for some, perhaps! (No doubt you will soon see great significance being attributed to the fact that Nibiru is the 13th planet.)

Keep it simple. There is only one issue – overthrowing the Old World Order.

The Illuminati are conspirators. We don’t deny it. But we are not conspiring with Reptilians or any other alien races. Our conspiracy has always been the same: to overthrow the dynastic family elites (the bloodlines) that have run the world from the start of civilisation – the Old World Order – and their selected collaborators. Their catastrophic reign has now given us a financial disaster that will ruin millions of ordinary people – but they will walk away unscathed as usual. Look at the example of Sir Fred Goodwin in the UK. He destroys an ancient bank – Royal Bank of Scotland – then is allowed to retire at just 50 years old and walk off, whistling, with a £30 million pound pension pot. The Old World Order can always arrange the best possible terms for themselves, no matter how great their failure. What about the ordinary RBS workers who have been thrown onto the scrapheap because of “Sir Fred’s” ineptitude? No vast pension for them, just the dole office. When are we going to wake up? Are we always going to stand aside and let these criminals of the Old World Order get away with it? If we do, we deserve everything we get!

There is a profound religious mystery underlying the struggle on earth between the Illuminati and the Old World Order, but it has absolutely nothing to do with aliens or Nibiru. We are prepared to slowly release more information about this mystery, but as the nature of the mystery becomes clearer, you will start to understand why it is so powerful and so dangerous, and why the Old World Order have relentlessly tried to stamp out the freedom fighters of the Illuminati.

Don’t forget, there is one simple reason why the earth is a wicked and fallen world – it was created that way. But the message of hope of the Illuminati is that it does not have to remain that way. Gnosis – true knowledge of the workings of the world – can deliver us all. A great spiritual awakening is imminent.
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