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One of the more thoughtful conspiracy theorists is a person who goes by the online pseudonym of JC LeSinge. He places many short movies on YouTube, discussing Nibiru, Reptilians, the Illuminati, the New World Order etc.

The debate shown below should prove illuminating to interested parties. You will observe that JC LeSinge uses a number of slippery and often ingenious arguments (in common with many CT experts). Judge for yourself whether his arguments are credible. (Note that he does not commit himself to any definite position, thus giving him scope to continually alter his case – another tactic of all sophisticated CT experts. Also, when he pleases, he is quite dismissive of certain aspects of the more outlandish conspiracy theorists – another common tactic to bolster the expert’s own credibility.)

A New Conspiracy Theory.

RECEIVING LOTS OF e-mails is a profoundly depressing experience. For every interesting message there are nine items of unbelievably irritating garbage. Here’s a message from someone calling himself “Adam Smith”.

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Hi,

I posted at your forum as ‘Ithink’. Your websites are very interesting but I was wondering why they are hosted at Menwith Hill when you (and those you support) are anti ‘Old World Order’?

I know the rumors about the Illuminati and Menwith Hill but things are often not that simple. I would appreciate a reply. Thanks.

I see you have a yahoo account, would you like a chat through Yahoo messenger? Btw, my name isn’t Adam.

OUR REPLY: We have no idea where our websites are hosted and nor could we care less. You’ve got a serious problem if you think that “hosting location” is more important than content. You conspiracy theorists are so mad that you make up new conspiracies as you’re going along. You’re actually trying to suggest that we are working for the CIA and are providing misinformation and disinformation. Well, here’s a plan for you. Why don’t you fuck off and then you won’t have to worry about our content? This world will never change while sad fucks are trying to establish where a website is hosted. Who cares?! If you think we’re deceiving you, go somewhere else and read something else. It’s THAT simple.

Are we clear?!

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“Adam” is a classic example of a conspiracy theorist. Sociologist David Riesman defined an “inside-dopester” as a social type whose goal was “never to be taken in by any person, cause or event.”

All conspiracy theorists are inside-dopesters. They have a pathological desire not to be fooled and that, of course, means they are the easiest people on earth to fool – as David Icke and other conspiracy theorist gurus prove every day with the deranged theories they peddle. No sane person could take the proposition of reptilian, shape-shifting Illuminati seriously, yet conspiracy theorists lap it up. They think they’ll be able to spot a reptilian a mile off! No slimy pandimensional lizard will ever be taking them by surprise!

Try to follow Adam’s thought processes. He stumbles across a website that intrigues him. So far, so good. Then he decides to start tracking the IP address and seeing if he can find out information about it. Is that NORMAL behaviour, or is a sign of incipient paranoid schizophrenia? Remember, no one asked this guy to come to our site. Who in their right mind would start trying to trace a site he has chanced upon? Only a conspiracy theorist thinks that way.

He says our site is hosted at Menwith Hill. This is a Royal Air Force station in the UK which provides communications and intelligence support services to the United Kingdom and the United States of America. According to Wikipedia: “The site contains an extensive satellite ground station and is a communications intercept and missile warning site and has been described as the largest electronic monitoring station in the world.”

So now we have a conspiracy theory – an Illuminati site apparently associated with a covert monitoring site of the Anglo-America secret services.

Now, for argument’s sake, let’s just say we were indeed working for the CIA and MI5. Would we be so fucking stupid as to provide a direct trail back to the CIA HQ in Langley, Virginia?

These conspiracy nutters actually believe that by using a few simple internet tools they can identify “black ops” groups who spend millions of dollars on internet security to ensure they can never be traced.

How stupid would you have to be to think you could have any chance at all of identifying CIA units if they didn’t want to be identified?

And this is the problem with inside-dopesters. They think their infantile IP-address look-up exercises allow them to reveal the secrets of the powers that be.

They must think that the world’s intelligence services are incredibly dumb, yet at the same time they’re always accusing the intelligence services of the most elaborate, sophisticated, impenetrable and diabolical conspiracies imaginable – like 9/11.

This is classic doublethink. If the intelligence services are good at what they do you will never know what they are doing. If they’re incompetent then who cares about them since they’re no threat and will be easily rumbled.

Conspiracy theorists simultaneously argue that the powers-that-be are fiendishly clever and yet the likes of David Icke can apparently see right through them with no trouble at all. Isn’t that a fatal contradiction? Why haven’t they bumped off this “genius” who sees so clearly what they are up to? It’s not as though he’s hard to find. He even uses his own name.

Here’s a message from the David Icke site: “In this incredible 4 hour presentation, author and truth-teller David Icke reveals how the human race got into the present global crisis and the keys to getting out. This no-holds-barred examination of the machinations underlying global events and the mechanisms of control used to keep us in fear and confusion, opens our eyes to the truth what is really happening behind the scenes of our reality. This awareness is a necessary step towards our ultimate liberation as a race, as a species, and as residents of Planet Earth – and includes a demolition of Barack Obama before he was even elected that has proved to be absolutely correct.” Well, it’s good to know that we’re all safe thanks to David Icke, a true hero of our times.

Yeah, right! We’re sick of these clowns who think they know something. They don’t know anything at all. They’re spinning pulp fiction, and the inside-dopesters think they’re learning real information when all they’re really learning is self-delusion. What’s for sure is that they’re putting lots of nice dosh and lolly in the pockets of their “gurus” such as Icke, Makow and Jones.

The truth is they’re out of the loop and they will always be out of the loop. Their worst nightmare has come true. They have no inside dope and they are clueless about what’s really going on.

To all those people who are obsessed with looking up IP addresses rather than trying to campaign against the Old World Order, don’t come near us. Think whatever you like about us. In fact, when you think of us, just picture huge, pan-dimensional, shape-shifting lizards that can become invisible at will and you’ll be pretty close to the mark, OK?!

NOW FUCK OFF. WE’RE TOTALLY SICK OF MESSAGES FROM LUNATICS.

We are simply staggered by the amount of mental illness there is in the world if 90% of the people who write to us are anything to judge by. It’s profoundly depressing reading the thoughts of scores of mad people every day.

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To anyone who’s actually interested in the truth, our website uses a cheap and nasty website production tool called “Mr Site”, and the site is hosted on their servers. We have no control over where they host their servers and nor are we interested in the subject – because we would be deranged inside-dopesters if we actually cared about such things.

The website software in our experience is, frankly, crap: unreliable, unstable, inconsistent when viewed from different browsers and bug-ridden. However, it has the advantage that it’s (mostly) easy to use and the content can be altered at any time by any of the three of us who operate the site. Its ease of use marginally outweighs its many problems.

We are a communication cell of the Illuminati. We’re not website designers. The Illuminati isn’t going to employ an enormous team of coders to create a glossy, whizzy website that reflects all of the shiny, corporate, capitalist values of the likes of Coca Cola. We are ANTICORPORATE, for Christ’s sake!!!

We have deliberately chosen a rough and ready, primitive look so that everyone can see how easy it is to get an enormous project off the ground for no more than a few dollars. No one can stop you. You don’t need corporate funding. Anyone can get anything off the ground extremely easily these days.

With any luck, the vast wealth of the corporates will become irrelevant and they will be swept away by inexpensive start-ups.

Our website is a reflection of our philosophy that the OWO’s gatekeepers are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Anyone or any group with ideas, creativity and something to say doesn’t need to go to banks and beg for money. You don’t need to hire expensive programmers, designers, advertisers, lawyers, managers, executives and public relations experts.

It sickens us that inside-dopesters would rather waste their time on utterly futile exercises of trying to trace our IP address rather than doing something constructive we their lives.

What have the inside-dopesters “proved” – that our site is hosted by “Mr Site” and we use their cheap software for non web-developers. Big Deal! It was never a mystery in the first place. So, does that mean we’re frauds, or that we’re working for the CIA or MI5? Have the inside-dopesters caught us bang to rights, just as they caught the Reptilians and the 9/11 inside-job team?

God save us from conspiracy theorists! They’re just the latest version of Abrahamists, prepared to believe in anything if it makes them feel good.
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Treachery:

AN ADMINISTRATOR OF THE MOVEMENT – “Sophia” – openly attacked the position of the Illuminati: “Agree with you. The stance A/C takes is not only naive and contrary to the whole point of scientific enquiry, the establishment of hard facts, it is also detrimental to ‘M’ by putting off many people. Only a fool believes the official conspiracy theory about the central event that has enabled TPTB to rain down a barrage of disgusting legislations upon us, start new wars that since have killed hundred thousand innocent civilians. Only a fool would talk all day about OWO tyranny and then reject the mountain of evidence, that could, if brought to light bring down the very people that are central in this ‘game’. But hey, why would we care, it’s not like they murdered and continue to murder people right?” –Sophia

Two members of this Illuminati cell are PhD scientists. (55% of the Illuminati are educated to PhD level, and two thirds of those are PhD scientists.) Speaking from that perspective, we find it astounding that closed-minded bigots can possibly imagine that their amateur-hour, non-science speculations constitute anything that resembles “scientific enquiry”. Conspiracy theorists don’t know anything about science.

That’s the whole problem. They think that wild, unsupported conjecture is “fact”. They have zero understanding of the scientific method. The only reason we are in a position to criticize science is that so many of us are from highly qualified scientific backgrounds.

We have contempt for the kind of scientifically illiterate people who watch YouTube propaganda videos and think they are “fact”. Every single point raised by the conspiracy theorists concerning 9/11 has been explicitly refuted or discredited. The “mountain of evidence” points in a single direction – that Muslim maniacs were responsible for 9/11 using hijacked planes with huge fuel loads that were slammed into buildings in such a way as to fatally damage the structural integrity. The only mystery about 9/11 is why so many non-scientists and non-engineers imagine that their uninformed opinions make them experts on subjects they have never studied and know nothing about.

If you’re clueless about relativity theory, quantum mechanics and M-theory, what makes you imagine you have one meaningful thing to say about the science of 9/11? Where are your qualifications? Where’s your MERIT?

The whole point of meritocracy is to place those who know what they’re talking about in positions of power. The whole point of nonmeritocracy is to make every clown imagine they have a valid opinion that ought to be respected. WRONG.

9/11 conspiracy theories represent amateurs thinking they know more than professionals, and it’s for exactly the same reason that the world has to endure Abrahamism. Billions of morons think that ancient books are superior to science, that “belief” beats facts.

Conspiracy theorists are believers too, and they convince themselves that anti-scientific junk is “proof”. They trot out a few controversialists from the scientific community to support their claims and they imagine that a maverick’s opinion counts for more than scientific consensus – because all the rest are somehow “in on it”.

While it’s certainly true that the scientific establishment can be wrong, there is not one scintilla of evidence to indicate that it got anything wrong regarding 9/11.

Why is that a decade after the most studied event in history, only conspiracy theorists think Muslims weren’t responsible for 9/11?

Don’t they realise they’ve become part of a religion that refuses to listen to the mountain of evidence proving them wrong? They’re like the Muslims who believe the Earth is flat because the Koran says so.

Being in a “dialogue” with a conspiracy theorist is as futile as trying to get any sense from a Muslim.

Facts are not at issue – they point to exactly where the blame rightly lies – only belief.

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In a thread on 9/11, “Phantom” said: “My view practically corresponds with the A/C site as I already had a similar opinion before ever finding A/C. I tend to see it from the Law of Necessity; where is the relevance to it in my life? To me, it has no relevance to debate idiotic things and detracts from my time to be spreading the 9/11 “truth” when I could be doing better things with my life and opinions.

1 pop video is approximately 3 minutes long. 300 million people watching it amounts to 900 million minutes altogether, which is 15 million accumulated hours. It takes 10,000 hours of practice to fully master some skill, and it takes about 60 minutes of intelligent social interaction between 2 or more people to birth a new perspective. “The more knowledge that you have, the more points of contact you have with the divine mind.” –Phantom

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That’s exactly the type of approach we want to endorse. Why are 9/11 conspiracy theorists wasting so much time on this subject? There’s no mileage in it at all. Everyone knows who carried out 9/11 – 19 Muslims in a martyrdom operation organised by Osama Bin Laden to strike back at the Great Satan America for supporting Zionist Israel and for having infidel army bases in Arab nations. What’s hard to understand? Anyone who rejects the facts is essentially claiming that there is no such phenomenon as Islamic Jihad. Why don’t they try doing some research on the subject? Then they will discover that thousands of Islamic terrorist operations have been carried out all over the world, killing tens of thousands of innocent people. 9/11 was the pinnacle of that campaign. It was a low-tech operation that took America by surprise.

Don’t forget that in 1941 America was practically on a war-footing with Imperial Japan and still managed to be taken totally by surprise at Pearl Harbor. The Japanese used the code TORA, TORA, TORA to signal that they had achieved total surprise. The 9/11 hijackers could just as well have said the same thing. Conspiracy theorists refuse to believe that America is capable of being surprised. Their belief in the infallibility of the authorities is something of a conundrum. If the authorities are so good, their alleged 9/11 inside job would have been flawless, leaving no smoke for the conspiracy theories to interpret as a fire. It’s always the same with the inside-dopesters. They think that everyone is fooled except them, and that makes them the biggest fools of all.

Using Phantom’s calculations, it’s easily possible that more than a TRILLION HOURS of analysis have been devoted to 9/11. Result? – the official version is undented. Look at Watergate. A couple of journalists brought down a President over a fairly trivial event. If an army of millions of conspiracy theorists can’t land a single serious punch on the official version of 9/11 it’s because there’s no target there.

Given what happened with Watergate when the most powerful man in the world was forced to resign over a cover-up, why would people in the White House in 2001 expect to get away with the most heinous act of treason of all time? Just one loose thread would cause the whole alleged conspiracy to unravel. Would YOU take that risk? If you would, you’d be insane. Why would ultra rich people having a great lifestyle risk their lives to engineer a pretext for war against Iraq by slaughtering their own citizens?

The official reason for the war against Iraq was to remove WMD – weapons of mass destruction. Yet no WMD were found. Would the 9/11 conspiracy theorists like to explain why the alleged 9/11 conspirators were so inept that they couldn’t even manage to plant a few WMD? The credibility and reputation of Bush and Blair were destroyed by the failure to find WMD in Iraq. How could such people have pulled off 9/11 if they couldn’t even rustle up a few planted biological and nuclear weapons to justify their war?

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The Old World Order are guilty of endless crimes against the people. No one needs to label them with crimes they didn’t commit when there are so many they DID commit. They have destroyed countless lives with their greed and selfishness. They have destroyed the potential of billions of people.

They only understand one language: power. Their power comes from money. If you want to destroy their power, you must follow the money and take it away from them, and stop them passing it on to their families.

100% inheritance tax is the only way to stop the OWO, yet most of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists would stand utterly opposed to such a tax. That’s the real tragedy, and shows how effectively the OWO have brainwashed the masses.

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The Movement, if it’s to be worthwhile, must attract people such as Pho’ and Phantom, and repel the sort of people who are full of bile and have nothing to contribute other than dredging up disproved conspiracy theories.

To beat the Old World Order, we need to assemble a group of people who are smarter, more creative, more dynamic, more disciplined and tougher.

People from unprivileged backgrounds who achieve PhDs are MUCH smarter than privileged preppies piling out of Harvard Business School with MBAs and golden tickets to million dollar salaries.

Look at where the “wonder workers” of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia and Goldman Sachs have led the world – to the brink of economic meltdown. These “geniuses” have failed in every regard.

Why? Because their purpose wasn’t to create a healthy, stable economy, but to enrich themselves. All economic systems collapse for one reason only: the greed of those running the economy. If you want a rational, predictable economy you have to make it impossible for the greed gang to drive the economy over the cliff in search of higher returns for themselves.

We said the MBA geniuses got it wrong. Of course, that only means in relation to the rest of us. In terms of themselves, they got exactly what they set out to accomplish – enormous personal wealth. They aren’t the ones suffering while the economy goes into a death spiral.

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The Illuminati is a secret society for smart people. We’ll be blunt. We don’t like stupid people. We don’t want to be in their company. We don’t want to listen to their bizarre, uninformed theories. We don’t want to be around people contaminated with superstition, faith and irrationality. We don’t want to hear dumb conspiracy theories.

If we could get on a spaceship and leave the idiots and dunces behind, we would. We would love to colonize a New Earth in space and let the Abrahamists and conspiracy theorists ooze back into the primordial slime whence they came. We, on the other hand, will get on with the project to form the Community of Gods, the Society of the Divine. You can be sure no stupid people will be playing any role in its creation.

Unlike David Icke, we’re not running a business. We don’t need to court popularity and seek as many new recruits as possible so that we can flog our merchandise to them.

We don’t care about alienating people, or making enemies. If we come across as arrogant, so what? Many of us have climbed out of the gutter and achieved astonishing things in our respective fields of expertise. We overcame the odds. We had no silver spoons in our mouths. We had no networks of influential friends and family. We had no privileged education, no access to private tutors and the best schools and teachers.

We clawed our way up from nothing against overwhelming odds. We are determined people, highly confident in our own abilities. We trust each other implicitly. We don’t suffer fools gladly and we’re not trying to win any popularity contests. All we care about are truth, freedom, and maximising our human potential. We hate those who block our path. We hate everyone who doesn’t “get it”.

The Old World Order will be undone by the contradictions inherent in how they run the world. The gap between rich and poor keeps getting wider. Resentment towards the rich is growing at an enormous rate. One day soon, the whole Fools’ paradise of the rich will collapse. The people will take back what the rich stole from them. New leaders will be required for the New Age. Will you be one of them?

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Did you know that the Norwegian Christian Fundamentalist mass murderer had a vision of society that was even worse than that of the Muslims he hated so much? It’s surprising that he wasn’t a Muslim himself given that his views were so backward. He spelt out his “utopia” (Hell to everyone else) in his 1,500 page manifesto. He was certainly right that Islam must be stopped and certainly wrong that fascist Christian Fundamentalism was the “solution”. He quoted philosopher John Stuart Mill: “One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests.” We would express it rather differently: “One person who knows what he’s doing is equal to the force of a million who don’t.”

The Old World Order have triumphed over the world using a set of extremely primitive but astoundingly powerful tools. Their implementation of their techniques has become increasingly sophisticated, but at root they’re just variations of Pavlovian conditioning. The game is simple – to get the simple masses to absorb and internalise the values of the ruling elite.

The Illuminati reject everything the OWO stand for. We reject their wealth, their nepotism, their cronyism, their “family first” policy, their system of privilege, their use of money to buy advantages denied to others. We reject their morality, their Abrahamist religions of control, their claims to “divine right” to rule. We reject their freedumb and dumbocracy.

Our task is to strip bare the immoral basis of the ruling elite’s morality. Nietzsche wrote an astonishing book called The Genealogy of Morals where he analysed the evolutionary development of morals from earlier forms. Once morality is seen as something that evolves then its claims to absolute and eternal validity are overthrown.

Perhaps there was a time when it was right and sensible to keep the stupid masses under control by terrifying them out of their wits with what would happen if they disobeyed “God” while promising them the highest reward possible – Paradise – if they obeyed.

That time is over. Now is the time to attack stupidity and educate the people.

Elite groups can wield control only over submissive, stupid, fearful sheeple. To bring elites to an end, it is necessary to revalue all values, reprogram the people, remove the brainwashing to which they’ve been subjected and to implement systems that produce smart, free, capable, talented, ambitious, independent, autonomous individuals who can see right through any attempts to condition and manipulate them. This new version of humanity would never permit the rise of any privileged elite.

The idea of an elite is inextricably linked with that of God. All that any elite has to do is convince the superstitious masses that God appointed them and that to disobey them is to disobey God himself. The sheeple therefore think that the elite are the legitimate authority, the rightful rulers.

Imagine a Papal election where the College of Cardinals didn’t decide who would be Pope, but rather every Catholic in the world was given a vote. Can there be any doubt that “One Catholic One Vote” would result in the end of Catholicism within a single generation? All the mystique would dissolve. The “magic” would vanish. The Wizard of Oz would be totally exposed.

The last thing that any system of authority wants is the involvement of the masses. Imagine an American election where there were no official political parties and anyone could stand. Imagine Congress being full of ordinary men and women from all backgrounds who had managed to win the support of their peers.

Would Congress be recognisable? Absolutely anyone could be President rather than someone funded by Wall Street and in the pocket of lobbyists.

Wouldn’t that be REAL democracy? But of course that’s what the people must never have. They must always be given the illusion, never the reality.

Only suckers and sheeple play along. Forget 9/11. Campaign for a new political system that makes the Democrats and Republicans ILLEGAL. They’re as bad as each other. Let’s have hundreds of independent political parties. Let’s make it possible for an unrecognised genius without two cents to rub together to become President.

The world is ruled by fantasy, delusion, superstition, irrationality, faith, prejudice and privilege. Isn’t it time we started running it rationally, scientifically and fairly?
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9/11:

“America has been hit by Allah at its most vulnerable point, destroying, thank God, its most prestigious building.” –Osama bin Laden, 7 October 2001

Rather an odd thing for a Muslim to say if 9/11 was a Mossad/CIA operation.

15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabians espousing Wahhabism, the most virulent form of Islam that calls for Islamic domination of the world and the global imposition of Sharia Law, for absolute intolerance of heresy and apostasy, for the wholesale destruction of Israel, for women to be totally subordinate to men, for Islamic theocracy to replace democracy.

Mohammed Atta, the Egyptian psychopath who led the hijackers, stipulated in his will: “The person who will wash my body near my genitals must wear gloves on his hands so he won’t touch my genitals…I don’t want any women to go to my grave at all during my funeral or on any occasion thereafter.”

The Wahhabites particularly despised New York, with its Zionist powerbase in Wall Street, its large Jewish population, its sexually liberated women, its fondness for drink, drugs and partying. It was a perfect target.

The hijackers wanted to drive out the American infidels located in several military bases in Saudi Arabia. These infidels were defiling the sacred homeland of Islam, the holy ground where Mohammed himself once walked. They wanted to attack America for its constant support for Zionist Israel, regardless of the number of atrocities carried out by the Zionists against the Muslim Palestinians. They wanted to call, in the most dramatic fashion, for an Islamic Caliphate uniting all the Islamic nations. And they wanted to end the sanctions that had been imposed on Iraq for many years, leading to a humanitarian disaster that was harming children in particular.

Why don’t the “Truthers” think the Wahhabites were supremely motivated to strike against the Great Satan? It’s because they are absolutely ignorant of Wahhabism and have made no attempt at all to study it. Know thy enemy! The Truthers haven’t the vaguest idea who the enemy is.

Here’s the “logic” of the Truthers. The elite want to impose drastic controls on the people (true). A major terrorist incident would give them the pretext (true). Therefore, they conclude, the elite engineered the terrorist incident themselves. They seem entirely oblivious to the fact that many people all across the world hate America and wish it serious harm. They think, perversely, that only Americans are motivated to attack America (!). They also think that no one other than the CIA, Mossad and U.S. Special Forces are capable of pulling off a terrorist incident. They think that 9/11 was some extremely sophisticated operation that a bunch of “rag heads” could never have accomplished.

In fact, 9/11 was about as crude as you could get. Nineteen Muslims used box cutters and fake bombs to hijack four planes and terrify their passengers (none of whom would have expected to die since hijackings had never before resulted in suicide operations) and then crashed them into buildings not long after take-off. There’s nothing difficult to grasp. The only thing cruder would have been something along the lines of the previous Islamic terrorist attack on the Twin Towers in 1993 – when they drove a truck bomb packed with explosives into the public parking garage beneath the World Trade Centre. Their intention was that the North Tower’s foundations would be so weakened by the massive explosion that the tower would topple over and hit the South Tower, bringing both towers down and killing thousands. “If at first you don’t succeed, try and try again!”

Why can’t people accept the blindingly obvious facts? Was 1993 a dry run by Mossad and the CIA? Surely the Truthers must offer a full explanation of 1993 as an inside job if we are to conclude that 9/11 was an inside job too. After all, it would be extremely bizarre to conclude that 1993 was carried out by Muslim maniacs but 9/11 wasn’t. If the Muslims did it once, they could certainly do it again, and do it better with a more effective plan.

Sharia Law – which advocates the stoning of adulterers, amputations of limbs for theft, the death penalty for homosexuality and apostasy – is supported by around 80% of Muslims. These people should not be regarded as gentle, compassionate, forgiving people. They are intolerant savages and anyone who has ever read the Koran knows that only the Torah exceeds it in terms of brutality and terror. Why would anyone think these people couldn’t be responsible for 9/11?

Most Muslims want Islam to be a central guiding principle of their society i.e. for Islam to be very much in the public sphere. They believe that democracy and Islam are entirely compatible, yet it’s impossible to believe that non-Muslim minorities would be properly protected in explicitly Islamic States. There’s no sign of genuine modernisation or enlightenment in any Islamic country, and failing to separate the State and religion in extremist countries can never lead to democracy – only to theocracy (like Iran).
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7/9

Illuminatus (operating as a skeptic): I can’t believe any astrophysicist would give any credence to Nibiru. It’s supposed to be a “12th” planet within our solar system – so any competent astronomer would be aware of it. Its orbit would have to be utterly bizarre, and probably defying the laws of physics, for it to come anywhere near us. What astronomers worry about is stuff heading our way from deep space that they can’t see and track yet: they’re not concerned about anything in an orbit in our own solar system.

Besides, earth has probably already suffered a planetary collision with a planet called Thea; the collision that produced the moon. If such a collision took place again, all human life would vanish. Arguably all life of any description would become extinct on earth. No conspiracy is going to keep that a secret!

Does Nibiru get hooked up to the New World Order and the Illuminati and the Reptilians somehow?

JC LeSinge: “Nibiru’s orbit around the Sun is highly elliptical, according to Sitchin’s books, taking it out beyond the orbit of Pluto at its farthest point and bringing it as close to the Sun as the far side of the asteroid belt (a ring of asteroids that is known to occupy a band of space between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter). It takes Nibiru 3,600 years to complete one orbital journey, and it was last in this vicinity around 160 B.C.E. As you can imagine, the gravitational effects of a sizable planet moving close to the inner solar system, as it is claimed for Nibiru, could wreak havoc on the orbits of other planets, disrupt the asteroid belt and spell big trouble for planet Earth.”

Illuminatus: Eh? Sounds like complete bullshit!!! Are they saying that Nibiru is going to collide with the earth, or that’s it’s going to collide with another planet that will then somehow affect the earth, or that it’s going to direct an asteroid in our direction, or that it’s going to alter gravity for the earth? One thing’s for sure – ancient Sumerians or Mayans wouldn’t have had a clue what “Nibiru” is going to do since they weren’t aware of half of the planets back in the day, never mind a rogue planet like Nibiru! Also, if it completes an orbit every 3,600 years then that means it has does its thing loads of times before – so why are we suddenly worried this time around? It doesn’t make any sense at all.

JC LeSinge: I’ll tackle Nibiru in reverse order…

Yes! The ancient Sumerians did indeed know about the solar system; they have a number of detailed astronomical charts that clearly show the sun and planets. The Mayans too were excellent astronomers; see the 2012 Mayan Calendar Conspiracy.

No, Nibiru is not meant to hit the earth; the elliptical orbit carries it near to the out range of the asteroid belt, not within; the Sumerian tablets translated by Sitchin describe the Annunaki crossing the asteroid belt ships to reach Earth.

Yes, of course it’s all hooked up with the Illuminati and the lizards: depending on to whom you listen, the Annunaki are the lizards and the Illuminati are the last of their human servants. Another version has it that the Annunaki are the giants and the lizards another species, either from another dimension or from the Hollow Earth.

There are variants on these two main themes; some have it that the lizards are coming, others that they are already here, and so on and so forth.

Planetary collision; by the figure 3600 years, Nibiru has theoretically passed close to the Earth at least three times in recorded history. Therefore: No, not all life would be extinguished. There are odd records around these times of comets and extreme weather, a couple of minor cataclysms, but no conclusive evidence.

Elliptical Orbit: The theory is that about half of solar systems are dual-binary, having two stars. The idea is that the Earth is unusual in having only one sun, and that somewhere out in the Oort Cloud or the Kuiper Belt (the outermost clouds of dust and asteroids that ring the solar system) there could be a large low-mass ‘aborted star’. The evidence for this is the slightly elliptical nature of the orbits of Pluto, Neptune and Uranus, as if something in the outer solar system were perturbing them.

This is what I put to the astrophysicists; they said that in theory the Oort Cloud is far enough out and dense enough that we could not reliably detect an object as big as Jupiter by the most commonly used means, and that people were studying just that sort of question.

Whether or not Nibiru was barrelling towards us didn’t come into the question; I was just curious if the basics of the theory were plausible. Apparently they are; “Maybe,” said the astrophysicists.

How about Hollow Earth? That’s a good one.

Illuminatus: So, is the theory that the Sumerians and Mayans were better astronomers than the ancient Greeks (who never mentioned Nibiru), and, more importantly, Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo etc? Bear in mind that western European astronomers only discovered Neptune in 1846, and that they were led there by Newton’s gravitational theory, which had revealed oddities in the orbit of Uranus, suggesting that another hitherto unknown planet was causing the effect. Bear in mind also that western astronomers had telescopes – and there’s no evidence whatever that anyone prior to them did. Also, given the Hubble Telescope and the work of many observatories, I don’t think any astronomer would claim that an aborted star is hiding in our solar system – well, apart from Jupiter itself, of course.

Anyway, doesn’t this all sound rather like Ron L Hubbard’s Thetan theory? Are the anti-NWO all secret Scientologists? The Nazis were quite keen on the Hollow Earth theory. I think Hitler, the SS and various Tibetan monks are hiding down there, powered by Vril!

So, I presume the Reptilians and Illuminati are keeping it secret that an invasion force is on its way from Nibiru? Why didn’t they conquer us last time round? Invasion craft must already have arrived in the past if the Reptilians are walking amongst us now? Why are they having to skulk around if they’re so powerful?

And why haven’t they stopped David Icke yet? Is he the main proponent of this theory? On a scale of 0 to 10, where are you on the Nibiru scale? A firm believer, or a total skeptic?

JC LeSinge: I’m not a ‘believer’ in anything; if I find an idea or opinion of mine is only a belief, I actively dismiss it as objective fact. I’m happy with the astrophysicist’s answer about Nibiru: “Maybe.”

Thing about all these Conspiracies Theories is that they could be true… but if they are then we will never know and it makes no difference to our lives. I like the sense of mystery; a few hundred years ago we’d have entertained notions of faeries in the woods, but in the modern day we prefer to contemplate aliens. I am logically sure that there are aliens, and reasonably convinced that intelligent life is more prolific on other worlds than is generally believed, but I suspect that if we were to encounter aliens, it would be a totally mundane process; big media hype, long wait while life returned to normal, then an alien cop appearing in CSI and suddenly your sister is dating one… society would hardly notice. If an alien invasion were touted as a serious threat, it would just replace the myth of terrorists that currently popular.

I don’t know that the Sumerians or Mayans were better than anyone else in particular, just that they were better than they generally get credit for. The Sumerians claimed that all their knowledge of the solar system came from aliens, or so I’ve read.

I’ve heard the idea that Jupiter is a failed star; one thing these astro-boffins I spoke to said was that there’s no working definition between a star and a planet other than apparent size. Jupiter is large enough support a mini-system of moons the size of the Earth, as is Saturn. They didn’t say there was a ‘dead twin’ star out there; just that people had been looking for something like that and that it would not be as easy to detect as we might think. They also said very clearly that it was an ‘idea’, not a ‘theory’.

Re L Ron… I do sometimes have this thought, yes, but there’s no cash-cult operating behind the scenes of the conspiracy circuit. There are a lot of people selling books and DVDs, and some folk get upset about that.

As to the rest, David Icke, the details of interaction between Reptilians and Illuminati, who’s who… that’s where it all become total supposition (as opposed to wild conjecture), and Conspiracy nuts get into long arguments about their own personal version of how it all fits together.

Hollow Earth… I like the Hollow Earth idea. It took me a while to come around to it, and I’m saying nothing one way or the other on inner-earth countries, people, animals, seas, etc. but it does make an odd kind of sense for planets to be hollow, like geodes, and it really is only an assumption that the Earth is a solid sphere; to my knowledge, this is one that no one can prove either way.

Illuminatus: Have you got any more conspiracy theories that I ought to know about? I love the way conspiracy theories mutate and become all embracing. For example, the Nibiru theory could be a stand-alone theory, yet suddenly the Illuminati and international bankers and reptilians etc all get thrown into the mix too. You have to admire the ingenuity of some of these conspiracy theories.

JC LeSinge: It’s not the theories that wacky; it’s the people who sit darkly muttering about them to anyone who’ll listen. A lot of it is based on fairly sound reasoning if unsound facts; a lot is just egomaniacal paranoid drivel. It really depends on who’s spouting it; a bunch of people I know on YT have recently taken a deeper plunge into the crazy pool lately. I’m staying out of their debates. What’s really funny is when you meet someone randomly in normal life who knows about conspiracy theories, whether they believe them or not.

Then there’s this tense ‘feeling each other out’ in conversation that basically amounts to whispering, “You know about the lizards, right?” and the person gives it “Shhh!”

New conspiracies… ok, life on the moon? There’s a guy does lectures based on CS Lewis’ Planets Trilogy, basically making a living by saying every word of it is true. Then there’s the other moon landing hoax theory; that the US went to the moon, found something incredible there, and faked the footage to make us all think it was a dead ball of rock. There are some who say the moon is artificial, and that the aliens have a base there. Apparently the gravity-well formed by the moon is the quickest and easiest way to get a shuttle out into space, and whoever controls the moon controls space flight from Earth to Mars.

Obviously there’s life on Mars too; I’m of the opinion that NASA would lie to us regardless and that the idea of a dead, barren universe is far more silly and illogical than the notion that there might be other in our solar system, intelligent or otherwise. That’s just my opinion though; have you seen CSI lately? Looks like Star Trek. Welcome to the 21st Century, we have communicators, all we need are teleporters and aliens and we’ll be off into the new millennium at last.

How’s that for a start?

Illuminatus: What was your theory about why so many people have turned to conspiracy theories? Did you say it was a replacement for a religion? Or the modern version of fairytales and goblins?

I find the moon stuff rather dull. Even Nibiru is better!

As for life on Mars, I think most scientists are expecting to find it (single cells and slime – not intelligent life!)

What do you know about the “13 bloodlines”?

JC LeSinge: Both: Conspiracy Theories fulfil the role of religion to ‘explain’ the unknown (“Aliens/Lizards/Jesus/Thor did it”). Part of the foundation of that idea is the similarity between Fairy tales and modern UFO Abduction myths.

The 13 Bloodlines… it’s the idea that there is only one Royal Family, the Saxe Coburgs, who have assimilated all other ruling dynasties in Europe and much of the world, and that this Royal Bloodline in 13 strands traces back through Jesus to the Lizard People from Nibiru who conquered Sumeria.

Re the Royals themselves, its true; about the first thing anyone ever learns is that ‘only a prince can marry a princess’ and that Royalty are special. That’s been going on for at least 1,000 years, so by now there IS only one European Royal Family. The rest of it stretches even my suspension of disbelief, to be honest. Somehow these 13 Bloodlines run the Illuminati, and therefore everything else.

Naturally, they rule the world and plan to kill us all very soon as the culmination of a 1,000 year plan to kill us all and rule the world. The inherent contradiction there is one most Conspiracy nuts miss.

Illuminatus: Are these the 13 bloodlines?

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/

Can’t stand the Royal Family, so I’m glad they’re in the firing line!!!

I once heard a guy claiming that the Royal Family are part of a huge paedophile ring and that he was one of their victims. They use mind control via the Holy Grail, which is supposedly hidden under the victory bell on Nelson’s Column in Trafalgar Square in London.

Right, a few questions…

Are the 13 bloodlines descended from the Lizard people?

Is Jesus descended from Lizard people?

Why didn’t the Lizard people conquer the whole world while they were conquering Sumeria?

Can’t the Lizard people get reinforcements from Nibiru?

Presumably they have spaceships? Why is it important for Nibiru to come close to the earth?

Why did the Illuminati help with the French Revolution if they’re on the side of the 13 bloodlines (including the French Royal Family!)?

Yes, I’ve noticed that many conspiracy theories seem to conclude with most of the earth’s population being wiped out. I think the idea is that there are just too many of us, and 1 billion is a more manageable slave population.

JC LeSinge: Re ‘The Watcher Files’… Are these the 13 Bloodlines?

Could be, but then people also make shit up, right? I haven’t read enough on the subject to know off hand who the 13 families allegedly are, although I’d think HRH and the Pope would inevitably have to be on the list, and the Rothschilds are notoriously rich and secretive.

The Merovingians are supposedly the bloodline of the ancient Kelts who came through Northern Spain; their chief druids and kings descended from the Egyptians. There is some validity to that theory, but an archaeological link between Keltic Britain and Egypt via Spain doesn’t prove any more than that there was greater commerce in the ancient world than we generally believe.

1) Are the 13 bloodlines descended from the Lizard people? Yes, is the short answer. The 13 Bloodlines think they’re special because they descend from alien ‘Gods’.

2) Is Jesus descended from Lizard people?

Good question; I don’t know, but I’m sure plenty of people would say ‘yes’. Where Jesus fits into all this depends largely on a person’s religious views; about half of conspiracy theorists think Jesus is coming to save us from the evil Satanic conspiracy, the other half think every word of the Bible is propaganda and mind-control. I know which sounds more likely to me.

3) Why didn’t the Lizard people conquer the whole world while they were conquering Sumeria?

They did; every mythology on Earth has the story of the Lizard people conquering the world, it’s just that the Sumerian and Vedic accounts are the oldest and most explicit in their descriptions of UFOs and alien worlds.

4) Can’t the Lizard people get reinforcements from Nibiru?

Presumably they have spaceships? Why is it important for Nibiru to come close to the earth?

It’s important for Nibiru to come close to Earth for the same reason we can only reach Mars at certain times of year; there are only limited ‘windows’ in the planet’s orbit where Nibiru passes close enough to hop from there to here without some hi-tech sci-fi method.

The Sumerian Tablet (the one that Sitchin allegedly translated) and the Bhagavad-Gita contain descriptions of spaceships, so yes, otherwise how’d they get from there to here? The other option is that the Lizards are native to this planet, living inside the Hollow Earth, or that they’re pan-dimensional and arrive here by possessing clone human bodies or willing hosts (such as heads of state)…

Can they get reinforcements…? Presumably not; there was apparently a war or some schism between the Annunaki (there’s one theory that goes that the Lizard People are only one race among a number that visited Earth; other sources put the Reptilians as native to this planet and the people of Nibiru being ‘The Giants’ of legend).

Apparently, once they’d genetically engineered the human race, there was a disagreement; one bunch of aliens wanted to use us as slave labour, the others disagreed. It’s apparently the question of humans and what to do with us that sparks the war in multiple versions, and echoes the notion of a ‘war in heaven’ found in the Bible.

5) Why did the Illuminati help with the French Revolution if they’re on the side of the 13 bloodlines (including the French Royal Family!)

That’s a tough one… historically the Illuminati were aligned to revolutionary causes. The conspiracy theorists usually try and tie Adam Wieshaupt (the founder of the Illuminati) in with George Washington as part of some world-wide Satanic plot to overthrow ‘God’s chosen’ royalty… but that would completely contradict history, not to mention every other conspiracy theory going, and basic common sense.

Here’s one for you; leaving aside Evolution as the mainstream theory, which is more believable, the Biblical Creation Myth or the Ancient Astronauts theory (Nibiru etc)?

Illuminatus: Well, the reason I believe in life on other planets is that if Evolution can randomly produce life on this planet then there’s no reason why it shouldn’t do the same on other suitable planets too. In other words, I only believe in aliens because of Evolution. Without Evolutionary theory, I think the Biblical Creation Myth would actually sound more plausible than Ancient Astronauts. And, of course, I would immediately ask the question – who created the Ancient Alien Astronauts? In other words, I would still be in the realm of having to come up with a creation myth. So, I’m afraid, Creation myths always trump any theory that doesn’t involve Evolution.

Re ‘The Watcher Files’… Are these the 13 Bloodlines? Could be, but then people also make shit up, right? I haven’t read enough on the subject to know off hand who the 13 families allegedly are, although I’d think HRH and the Pope would inevitably have to be on the list, and the Rothschilds are notoriously rich and secretive.

Yes, I guess anyone could come up with anything, but I bet most of the 13 bloodlines that get bandied around are probably similar to the ones in the Watcher Files list. The Rothschilds will certainly be on every list!!! As for the Pope, he’s elected to his position, so there’s less reason to believe he’s connected with the 13 bloodlines.

Bloodlines rely on inheritance rather than election, although, of course, elections can be rigged to favour the candidates of the bloodlines.

The Merovingians are supposedly the bloodline of the ancient Kelts who came through Northern Spain; their chief druids and kings descended from the Egyptians. There is some validity to that theory, but an archaeological link between Keltic Britain and Egypt via Spain doesn’t prove any more than that there was greater commerce in the ancient world than we generally believe.

Well, there’s a theory that the Scots are descended from an Egyptian princess called Scota, and that Biblical characters supposedly went to Ireland and Scotland.

Yes, is the short answer. The 13 Bloodlines think they’re special because they descend from alien ‘Gods’.

Doesn’t DNA conclusively refute this? If they were descended from aliens they would definitely have different DNA from those who weren’t thus descended. And could they breed in the first place? Look at poor old Neanderthal Man. He must have been more compatible with us than Reptilians!

Good question; I don’t know, but I’m sure plenty of people would say ‘yes’. Where Jesus fits into all this depends largely on a person’s religious views; about half of conspiracy theorists think Jesus is coming to save us from the evil Satanic conspiracy, the other half think every word of the Bible is propaganda and mind-control. I know which sounds more likely to me.

So, are the two groups of conspiracy theorists always attacking each other? After all, each is Satanic in relation to the other.

They did; every mythology on Earth has the story of the Lizard people conquering the world, it’s just that the Sumerian and Vedic accounts are the oldest and most explicit in their descriptions of UFOs and alien worlds.

What mythologies are you talking about? Gods are certainly mentioned, but not reptilians. And I’m not aware of any conquest myths i.e. no one says a group of people from another world landed on this planet and fought and conquered the people who lived here. ‘Aliens’, ‘other planets’ etc would have been concepts that meant practically nothing to ancient peoples. I presume you’re referring to ‘gods from the sky’ being reinterpreted as reptilians from other worlds, and heaven and hell being reinterpreted as alien worlds. This is Erich Von Daniken territory, of course. It’s important for Nibiru to come close to Earth for the same reason we can only reach Mars at certain times of year; there are only limited ‘windows’ in the planet’s orbit where Nibiru passes close enough to hop from there to here without some hi-tech sci-fi method.

But look how much we’ve achieved in terms of space travel in just fifty years. You can be sure that in three thousand years from now, we’ll be doing amazing things in space (if we’re still around). If the aliens had primitive invasion craft thousands of years ago then they must be total retards if they haven’t become vastly more technologically advanced since then. And don’t they communicate with Nibiru? – in which case we should detect their transmissions. It seems to me that Conspiracy theorists spend far more time looking for ways to bolster this Nibiru theory rather than ways to demolish it. If they conquered us, why aren’t we enslaved in any obvious way? Why don’t they show themselves and exploit their power over us? Selfevidently, we haven’t been conquered since conquerors don’t go skulking around hiding from the people they’ve conquered. Did William the Conqueror immediately hide from the Anglo Saxons after the Battle Of Hastings? It’s crazy. And can the reptilians breed with us (highly unlikely!). And what’s their life span? Are they still giving birth? (implying female reptilians in the invasion force). Etc etc.

There are innumerable problems with this theory.

The Sumerian Tablet (the one that Sitchin allegedly translated) and the Bhagavad-Gita contain descriptions of spaceships, so yes, otherwise how’d they get from there to here? The other option is that the Lizards are native to this planet, living inside the Hollow Earth, or that they’re pan-dimensional and arrive here by possessing clone human bodies or willing hosts (such as heads of state)…

Ancient people had chariots. Gods, coming from the sky, obviously travelled in “sky chariots”. Sky chariots were then reinterpreted as spaceships. Where are these spaceships? Did none crash? Did they deposit their invasion force and then leave? But surely they would come back regularly to check on progress? Or is that what UFOs are? Hollow Earth????? Er, there’s no scientific evidence that earth is hollow and a vast amount of evidence that it’s not. What about volcanoes – where’s the lava coming from? What about earthquakes?

A hollow earth wouldn’t be a comfortable place for anyone! Where are the exit points to the surface? So, large, intelligent reptilian humanoids evolved inside the earth? What do they eat? What about the lack of sun? Can they see? Why did they come to the surface? Why go back inside once they had reached the surface? Etc. etc.

Can they get reinforcements…? Presumably not; there was apparently a war or some schism between the Annunaki (there’s one theory that goes that the Lizard People are only one race among a number that visited Earth; other sources put the Reptilians as native to this planet and the people of Nibiru being ‘The Giants’ of legend).

Apparently, once they’d genetically engineered the human race, there was a disagreement; one bunch of aliens wanted to use us as slave labour, the others disagreed. It’s apparently the question of humans and what to do with us that sparks the war in multiple versions, and echoes the notion of a ‘war in heaven’ found in the Bible.

And yet they are expecting reinforcements from Nibiru in 2012?

So now we’re making things even more complicated by introducing new alien races. So the Reptilians native to earth – though never seen by anyone – are waging a war against the Nibiru aliens (Giants of legend) who were here once before but have disappeared (since there are no giants anymore) – but are on their way back the next time Nibiru passes by. I presume all of these aliens are invisible and influence humans via mind control? Ah, genetic engineering. So presumably that allows them to manipulate human DNA at will? They didn’t do a very good job, did they? But, anyway, to what end?

What are they engineering us for? To kill us off? That wouldn’t make any sense. To enslave us? Well, why haven’t they already done it since they’re so far ahead of us technologically? Why did an alien faction decide not to enslave us even though the other one wanted to? What did they want to do instead? What other possible uses could aliens have for us? They want us to “love, serve and obey” them like the Christian God? Why don’t they have prophets and a religion? Why are they so secretive?

That’s a tough one… historically the Illuminati were aligned to revolutionary causes. The conspiracy theorists usually try and tie Adam Wieshaupt (the founder of the Illuminati) in with George Washington as part of some world-wide Satanic plot to overthrow ‘God’s chosen’ royalty… but that would completely contradict history, not to mention every other conspiracy theory going, and basic common sense.

What do these revolutionary plots have to do with advancing the agendas of different alien factions? Which faction are the Illuminati and Masons supporting, and which faction are they opposed to? I think we need to know! You never know, we could be on the wrong side! So God’s chosen royalty are the good guys who are heroically fighting against the Illuminati and Masons? Er, yes, that contradicts absolutely everything, doesn’t it!!!!!

Don’t you find all of this stuff seriously hilarious (!)? A lot of it is even more unbelievable than the Christian, Islamic and Jewish religions. And that’s saying something. The whole thing is completely incoherent. People keep adding new ridiculous elements that contradict existing elements, thus forcing someone to introduce yet more ingredients. The whole thing slides relentlessly into complete absurdity. It’s not at all clear who is conspiring, for what reason, whose side they’re on, what their objectives are, where they come from, what species they are….etc. etc. etc. And this is meant to be an improvement over the religious junk we’re already expected to believe? There must be as many conspiracy theorists as there are conspiracy theories i.e. everyone has their own version.

JC LeSinge: Good points re Evolution & Aliens; I hadn’t considered it from that angle. Also, good point about the Pope…unless the post always goes to someone with the right bloodline. Personally, I reckon the pope is evil, along with the Royals, without going into a single Conspiracy Theory; just look at history.

The Egypt/Celtic link; I read somewhere that the name Guinevere originates in Egypt, and there’s the Kell Bible found at Glastonbury that contains an Egyptian account of the Hebrew Exodus (no mention of God, but it does refer to Nibiru…allegedly). That the Kell Bible exists is generally accepted, but to get anything on-line about it, you have to pay the ‘translator’…

Re: DNA, Bloodlines, alien interbreeding…. “Doesn’t DNA conclusively refute this? If they were descended from aliens they would definitely have different DNA from those who weren’t thus descended. And could they breed in the first place? Look at poor old Neanderthal Man. He must have been more compatible with us than Reptilians!”

No, hah; 90% of human DNA is ‘junk’ DNA, meaning we don’t know what it does, so there could, at the outside of speculation, be all kinds of odd things hidden in there, from alien DNA to psychic powers and evolutionary leaps forward. Question is; what would happen if we could GM that junk DNA out of a person? Would they still be human, would they even be a viable life form?

And Conspiracy Theorists are always arguing, all the time, about everything; if they weren’t, they might actually be dangerous. Which mythologies contain Reptilians, Shining Ones, Sky Chariots and Giants? Um…all of them. Including the Bible. This is my specialist subject (seriously, I have a library of Joseph Campbell’s work and a books on every mythology under the sun).

The Norse myths feature Giants, shining ones and dragons, besides ‘magical’ weapons and vehicles. The Celts tell of a war between the Fomorians (reptilians), the Firbolg (giants) and the Tuatha De Danaan (shining ones), again with the ‘magical’ chariots and weapons. The Aztecs & Mayans worshiped reptilians and shining ones (Quetzequatl was a ‘feathered serpent’ who could assume the shape of a man, arrived and departed through a wormhole, accompanied by snakes….), the South African shaman traditions talk about lizard people hiding in the skin of humans, and again a war with the Shining Ones… obviously, the Bible has the Nephillim (half-breed human/angels), shining ones (angels) and the numerous references to demons as snakes and reptiles, besides the giants such as Goliath and the people of Jericho (who were giants, although that detail is often glossed over). The ancient Vedic myths of India, again, talk about lizard people, giants and shining-ones, alongside battles in the sky between ‘Vimana’, or ‘Sky chariots’… then there’s the Chinese and Japanese myths of dragons turning into men and living underground in palaces, and the shining gods who lived in flying palaces… The Sumerian/Babylonian myths, obviously, which are the source of the name ‘Nibiru’… Greek mythology has giants and shining ones, while there are plenty of reptilian hybrid creatures (medusa, the Sphinx, the Hundred-Arms, dragons…) I could go on and on. Celtic mythology is my main area, though; I can lay out the entire history of the Celts from Lugh to Arthur as a sci-fi epic if you like.

Not that I’m saying its fact, but it is a fascinating new way to look at all those old myths. What I think more likely than the Ancient Astronauts or the ‘It’s All Bunk’ theories is that human civilisation is about twice as old as we reckon and that this is not the first time we’ve achieved advanced technology; that the archaeological evidence is lacking I can account for in three ways. 1) vested academic interests, as affected Egyptian studies and Palaeontology; 2) Timescale; we’re talking pre-Sumerian and there’s precious little left to prove that even they existed or how they lived. 3) Arrogance; amazing inventions have been found from the ancient world, but we assume our ancestors were backward and so reject any contradictory evidence (such as Roman pumps, Greek sea-defences, Egyptian obsidian sunglasses…)

We/they can’t communicate with Nibiru (assuming it exists) for the same reason we can’t see it (yet); it’s out in the Oort Cloud AKA the Kuiper Belt. I spoke to my astrophysicist friend again; radio waves and so on don’t easily penetrate the dust cloud around our solar system. And yes, obviously, we can see the sky and stars and the Milky Way… I’m just repeating the answer I was given by someone who should know (I didn’t ask him directly about Nibiru, just the ‘Nemesis’ or ‘Eris’ object, which is a bit less wacky but in the same field.

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As you can see, there is never any end to these debates. Each side can keep introducing new points almost indefinitely. Well-informed conspiracy theorists like JC LeSinge can bring to bear a host of pseudo-clever points. None of these points is capable of withstanding close scrutiny, but they are often persuasive and beguiling to naïve individuals who chance upon them.

Our message, as always, is to maintain a skeptical attitude. Ask yourself whether it is even remotely likely that things such as the Hollow Earth, Nibiru, Reptilians and Giants truly exist. It was an act of complete desperation when various conspiracy theorists decided to cross-fertilise alien theories straight from sci fi with older conspiracy theories surrounding the Illuminati.

For people who wish a quick and excellent overview of the Nibiru theory, you can find it here on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

This article comprehensively debunks Sitchin’s absurd theory, and by extension all of the nonsense talked in this regard by David Icke etc.

Any conspiracy theorist who endorses Lizard People, Reptilians, Nibiru or any other alien visitation scenario lacks any credibility.

These theories are ludicrous and distract people from the real task of overthrowing the Old World Order. These theories are, of course, fuelled by the Old World Order themselves in order to sow confusion and division. Because they are fascinating and seductive theories (combining science fiction with ancient history and mythology – the future and the past in a neat package), they attract widespread attention. But they are just new myths for a quasi-scientific, pseudorationalist age. In essence, they replace conventional religion with science fiction.

For anyone who’s interested, there are five “dwarf planets” in our solar system. They are: Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake and Eris (Nibiru). Ceres is in the Asteroid Belt that lies between Mars and Jupiter. Therefore, this would make Eris/Nibiru the 13th and not the 12th planet from the sun. Unlucky for some, perhaps! (No doubt you will soon see great significance being attributed to the fact that Nibiru is the 13th planet.)

Keep it simple. There is only one issue – overthrowing the Old World Order.

The Illuminati are conspirators. We don’t deny it. But we are not conspiring with Reptilians or any other alien races. Our conspiracy has always been the same: to overthrow the dynastic family elites (the bloodlines) that have run the world from the start of civilisation – the Old World Order – and their selected collaborators. Their catastrophic reign has now given us a financial disaster that will ruin millions of ordinary people – but they will walk away unscathed as usual. Look at the example of Sir Fred Goodwin in the UK. He destroys an ancient bank – Royal Bank of Scotland – then is allowed to retire at just 50 years old and walk off, whistling, with a £30 million pound pension pot. The Old World Order can always arrange the best possible terms for themselves, no matter how great their failure. What about the ordinary RBS workers who have been thrown onto the scrapheap because of “Sir Fred’s” ineptitude? No vast pension for them, just the dole office. When are we going to wake up? Are we always going to stand aside and let these criminals of the Old World Order get away with it? If we do, we deserve everything we get!

There is a profound religious mystery underlying the struggle on earth between the Illuminati and the Old World Order, but it has absolutely nothing to do with aliens or Nibiru. We are prepared to slowly release more information about this mystery, but as the nature of the mystery becomes clearer, you will start to understand why it is so powerful and so dangerous, and why the Old World Order have relentlessly tried to stamp out the freedom fighters of the Illuminati.

Don’t forget, there is one simple reason why the earth is a wicked and fallen world – it was created that way. But the message of hope of the Illuminati is that it does not have to remain that way. Gnosis – true knowledge of the workings of the world – can deliver us all. A great spiritual awakening is imminent.
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http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

And thus the people are deceived. These science fiction tales are ridiculous, a complete distraction from the tasks that need to be accomplished. How can the resistance hope to topple the towers of the Rothschilds and their ilk if they spend their time fantasising about Nibiru, the Hollow Earth, the Harvest, Reptilians and so on?

Such stories are planted by the Old World Order to keep the people preoccupied with nonsense. Wake up! While you spend time obsessing over the reptilians of Nibiru, or the giants living inside the hollow earth, you certainly won’t be posing any threat to the dynastic families that are ruling this world.

Why do you believe in reptilians? Because you are afraid to do something very simple: to stand up to other human beings who are just like you and strip them of their power. The Rothschilds have no power other than that which you choose to confer upon them. They are rich. So what? Are you a slave of money? How many Rothschilds are there? How many of you? You outnumber them millions to one, yet they don’t fear you, but you are terrified of them.

Nothing in this world can change until people are prepared to change themselves first. Nibiru and everything that goes with it is a way for people to absolve themselves of responsibility. They look to the stars so that they don’t have to look in front of their noses.

There are certainly profound mysteries in this world, but you won’t approach them until you have approached and conquered your inner fears. Your problems are here on earth, not on Nibiru. Stop wasting time with science fiction. Deal with the fact that a small group of dynastic families are making the whole world dance to their tune.

What do you believe about the Illuminati – that they were involved with the American, French and Russian Revolutions, or that they are creatures living inside the earth or are aliens from another planet? One of these scenarios is plausible, the others absurd. Which one will you choose?

While speculation about aliens may be fascinating, it won’t bring down the Old World Order.

One of the Old World Order’s senior families is the Bush Family. They have been elected by the people to Presidential office on three occasions. Do you think they waste any time contemplating Nibiru? You are puppets, voting for the puppetmasters. Isn’t it time to get real?
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An Enquiry About “Hidden Hand”:

Q. “There is an interview with a supposed “Illuminati insider” called “hidden hand” posted on abovetopsecret.com and illuminati-news.com. We were curious what your take is on this?

In brief, the “insider” claims that the Illuminati (or, his version of the Illuminati) created free will (and thus, evil) in order to, paradoxically, help humanity by helping it to realize itself – “tough love”, so to speak. He also goes on to say that his Illuminati also created and empowered the OWO to become the OWO (i.e. that, in reality, his Illuminati and the puppetmasters of the OWO)…He claims, this too was done paradoxically to help humanity – tough love, again (yes, apparently, we were too complacent and needed some evil to help us along….). Basically he claims that with free will and the OWO, although evil does indeed arise, a greater good is achieved because humanity will should more quickly become aware of its true self/divineness – ultimately leading to a progression to a higher (and more divine-like) dimensional state of existence. Presumably without this catalyst provided by his Illuminati, humanity would have taken way too long to evolve to this next state…. What’s your take?”

A. We normally deny that “Hidden Hand” has any connection with the Illuminati because it leads to needless and damaging confusion, but the truth is that he was a former member who suffered a mental breakdown. Glimpses of genuine Illuminati teachings can be found in his article, but they are distorted almost beyond recognition. No one should take that article seriously, except as a curiosity.

It’s obviously ridiculous to assert that the Illuminati created free will and hence evil (how would they go about such a thing, exactly??), and equally ridiculous to claim that the Illuminati created the OWO. (It is however true that the Illuminati created Freemasonry in order to combat the OWO, only for Freemasonry to be infiltrated and corrupted by the OWO so that the OWO and Freemasonry are now practically synonymous.)

What is certainly true is that humanity must strive for selfrealization and that obstacles have been created to test the human race in the sternest way. The Illuminati are not the creator of the test, God is. The Illuminati are those who know the full nature of this test. The OWO are part of the test. The OWO are those who have been most corrupted by the real puppetmasters: those against whom the Illuminati direct most of their efforts. The overthrow of the OWO is one of the key goals that must be accomplished before humanity can move to the next level on its journey.

It is very much an Illuminati teaching that humanity is alienated from its true self, and must overcome this alienation in order to understand itself and evolve towards its true self and latent divinity.

Struggle is an essential part of this evolution. Without it, humanity would stagnate or become wholly fallen. There are some people who succumb to temptation in the most selfish, self-indulgent and egotistical way. These people will never evolve to a higher level. The damned are the OWO. They represent the forces of darkness which the Sons and Daughters of Light must overcome. Only when the OWO are defeated and there are no more masters and slaves on the earth, but, instead, meritorious equals, can humanity progress.

The Illuminati are a catalyst in the struggle against the OWO and are helping humanity to evolve to the next step, but the Illuminati are certainly not the ultimate puppetmasters. On the contrary, they are those who resist the ultimate puppetmasters.

The purpose of the ultimate puppetmasters is to prevent humanity reaching the next stage, and the OWO are their puppets for keeping humanity permanently in an enslaved and benighted state. Greed, money and earthly power drive the OWO. While the whole world holds these values, it cannot go forward. The OWO seek to ensure that all of us are drawn into the web of earthly vanities. They have succeeded to an incredible degree thus far, only occasionally suffering setbacks.

So, you will see that “Hidden Hand” says some things that reveal that he does indeed have an Illuminati background, but other things he says show that he has strayed far from the path of Illumination. If anything, he himself is now an ally of the OWO.

Do not listen to false prophets!
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The Fallacy:

Here is some material from a website called “Illuminati News”.

Ironically, we find ourselves in agreement with much of what is said here. The reason we are drawing attention to it is that we wish to highlight the central fallacy that, in the end, makes sites such as these counter-productive.

Read the article and then our response (http://www.illuminatinews.com/):

“What is wrong with this world? Why all those civil wars, why all this chaos and disaster? Why can’t people just live together in peace? When conflicts arise, why is it so hard for the United Nations and other parties to stop the killing, despite peace negotiators and ambassadors?

“Is it that man is basically evil? Is it just human behaviour? Lots of questions. When we look around, it may seem like man is basically evil, but that is not true. There is good and evil within us all; it needs to be there for our basic survival. However, the society will eventually reflect the minds of their leaders, and if the leaders are implementing evil, the society will be evil as well, and people affected by a malevolent government will start acting like them. However, WE are the ones who appoint and accept our leaders, so ultimately the responsibility is yours and mine.

“All this chaos, genocide, ethnic cleansing and the overall disasters have a genuine purpose. It is all very carefully planned by a few men behind the scenes, high up in the society, above any power structure that the ordinary citizen knows about. It is a planned take-over to create a One World Government with those people on top, making the rest of us into their slaves in a Super Socialist State!

“Does this sound incredible and unbelievable? If this is totally new to you, I can truly understand that it sounds that way; especially if you as a habit have been relying on mainstream media for your information. However, if you want to know the real truth, I recommend you to continue reading from this web site, and I am sure this body of information will blow your mind. On a gradient scale, you will start getting the full picture. You will become very aware of what is happening in the world and why.

“Take one or a few pages at the time, because it is much to read, but it is vital for all of our survival to be aware of what this website will reveal. And if you are not familiar with the subject at all, I strongly advise you to start with the link called The Secret Order of the Illuminati.

“Are you voting for the Democrats or the Republicans? Does it really matter which? Is the difference that big?

“I will show you that the outcome, no matter whom you vote for, is already thoroughly outlined and predicted; not by the politicians themselves, but by the real powers, the “Shadow Government”, invisible to the general public. The political decisions they make are not in our best interest, but in theirs only. The tax money you are paying to your government so they can work on accomplishing our common goals actually go towards accomplishing their goals, which are very different from ours. What they are planning, and have planned for a long time, is a New World Order and a One World Government with them as the Rulers. Those powerful people are deeply into the occult and black magic, which I also will show on this website. The rituals are practiced within secret societies, such as the Freemasons and the Illuminati (nowadays they call themselves “The Moriah”, “Moriah Conquering Wind”, or simply “The Brotherhood”).

“So who are those people I am talking about? They are basically 13 super wealthy families and their off-shots, most of them International Bankers and royalties. Their bloodlines go back in time – way back to old Babylon and further. They are the same families, but under different names, that have influenced history almost since the beginning of time. It is mind-boggling, but hopefully this website will prove my point without any doubts.”

This website has four main categories:

Illuminati News (A thorough research on WHO and WHAT is controlling this world from the shadows, and what their plans are). UFOs and Aliens (Are UFOs and Aliens real, and if so, what are they?)

Rock ‘n’ Roll and Mind Control (Mind control within the music/art and entertainment industries, and how that affects us on a daily basis). Spirituality and Spiritual Solutions (Who are we and where are we heading? What are our spiritual potentials?)

My advice is to start with category one and go on from there. There is much to study and much to learn. Still, this website only scratches the surface of what there is to know.

The site is updated on a regular basis.

Good luck,

Wes Penre, Webmaster and Researcher

“They must find it difficult…Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority.” –Gerald Massey, Egyptologist
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The Response of The Illuminati:

Consider these two quotations from the article.

A) “It is a planned take-over to create a One World Government with those people on top, making the rest of us into their slaves in a Super Socialist State!”

B) “So who are those people I am talking about? They are basically 13 super wealthy families and their off-shots, most of them International Bankers and royalties.”

We, the Illuminati, are entirely opposed to royalty, to super-rich dynastic families and to international bankers. For millennia, we have actively sought their overthrow. We still seek it, more than ever. A one world, meritocratic government is a way in which the power of these tyrants could be shattered forever. Are there any monarchs, or super-rich people in the futuristic, meritocratic, One World Government envisaged by Star Trek?

The real agenda of the Illuminati News, and of most anti-Illuminati campaigners, is revealed in the phrase, “their slaves in a Super Socialist State.”

You have to ask yourselves this simple question: since when have socialists been fellow travellers with monarchs, dynastic families and international bankers? Socialism and communism are the polar opposites of right wing capitalism and royalty. The global power elite of the Old World Order despise socialism and communism.

Capitalism – the grossly unequal division of money and resources – is the bedrock of their power. But they have learned that when they overreach themselves, they court disaster – as shown by the French and Russian Revolutions. So, they used their intelligence and power and created the “middle class” – their buffer between the working man and their own power elite. The workers aspire to be middle class and the middle class aspire to join the power elite.

Capitalism requires zombified consumers in shopping malls, sedated by junk entertainment, in the thrall of celebrities. The idea, suggested by many conspiracy theorists, that the arch capitalists of the global power elite would kill consumers and build concentration camps for the survivors is mad. Would Microsoft prosper by killing computer users? It’s an insane thesis. The power elite want you to consume, not to think, not to rebel against your zombie state that they have created for you. Wake up!!!

We, the Illuminati, are not socialists, communists or anarchists – we are meritocrats who believe in the reasonable, but not excessive, rewarding of talent, hard work and good ideas – but, historically, we have often assisted left wing movements in order to aid our attack on the Old World Order (most famously in the cases of the French and Russian Revolutions.) Would a group of monarchs, dynastic families and international bankers ever have any desire to create a “Super Socialist State” when such a state is the precise reverse of everything they stand for? This is nonsense on a spectacular scale.

The people who say these things are merely compiling a list of their pet hates and shoehorning them all together, no matter how absurdly. They hate socialists, monarchists, Jews, government and laws. They are extreme right wing anarcho-capitalists who believe that “free markets” and the private sector can solve every problem.

The recent financial meltdown of the world economy is a direct product of their way of thinking – unregulated free markets, minimal state interference, the super greedy being allowed to set the rules and shape the economy.

These anti New World Order anarcho-capitalists are, in fact, close allies of the Old World Order. Their interests are frequently aligned. They share many of the same core beliefs. They are as much an obstacle to a better world as the Old World Order themselves. We desperately need a New World Order to save us from these lunatics.

The credit crunch is an illustration of how dangerous they are. Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, is the standard bearer of the anti New World Order militant brigades. He is their martyr. Is he any better than the mad Muslims of 9/11?

Here is the anti New World Order agenda:

1) Destroy Government
2) Destroy Socialism/Communism
3) Arm everyone with an assault rifle
4) Let the free market and the private sector set laws
5) Worship the materialism inherent in anarcho-capitalism
6) Maintain a nationalistic, xenophobic attitude towards others
7) They admire the “Wild West” and see themselves as heroic pioneers, speedy gunslingers and hard-working, Godfearing folk with small businesses that benefit the community. They believe they are the fastest guns in the West and that no one has any right to curb their lynch mob mentality and their delusion that they are in personal contact with “God”. They are essentially an American phenomenon and they simultaneously love and hate their own country. They are Luddites and backwoods people who hate modernity, technology and philosophy. Most of them have never set foot outside their state, and many come from racist Southern States that were historically part of the Confederacy. They are the people who would become marginalized and irrelevant in a meritocratic future. That’s why they fear the future so much and why they cling to the coat tails of their masters in the Old World Order.

Everyone who holds such beliefs is the sworn enemy of the Illuminati and the meritocratic and just New World Order that good and intelligent people have sought for millennia. Our enemies on the far right are overtly or covertly allied with the Old World Order of monarchs, bankers, business bosses, dynastic families, and share their passion for unrestrained capitalism. Far from being the solution to the world’s ills, the anti New World Order movement is a central part of the problem.

Isn’t it time to follow the righteous path of the Illuminati and start preparing for a glorious New World Order where the dynasties that have ruled for millennia are at last swept aside once and for all?

Postscript: The Webmaster of Illuminati News has been in touch with us in the name of his search for the truth no matter where it leads him. We applaud him for taking this step and we recommend the new page on his site: http://www.illuminati-news.com/00392.html. All those who are interested in the truth should reflect on this article. The Illuminati are not the enemy. You have been deceived by the Old World Order if you believe that the Illuminati are on the side of tyranny.
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The Smokescreen:

Confusion surrounds conspiracy theory terminology, especially regarding the Illuminati, the New World Order (NWO), and the Old World Order (OWO). Who benefits from such confusion? The powers-that-be, those who wish to prevent the various resistance groups coalescing into a single powerful force that will at last challenge the elites that run the world.

One person who is trying to resolve the confusion is Wes Penre, Webmaster and Researcher at “Illuminati News”.

Wes’s site, though it contains many articles that, on the face of it, would seem to fuel the confusion, is probably in a good position to bring much-needed clarity. Nevertheless, he has a huge task ahead of him and it will take time. Also, people who think that they have it all worked out may find that they have to confront a whole new reality. Below we have quoted a communication from Wes that we fully endorse. We hope that through the efforts of people like Wes we can gradually create an alliance of all the forces that oppose the ruling order and bring about real change. The time to overthrow the Old World Order is coming. It can be by a velvet revolution. It can be by a spiritual transformation. But, one way or another, it must be done. Communication from Wes Penre (“Illuminati News”)

“I believe that the current situation is two-fold if we simplify it:

“1) Our first step is to have researchers distinguish between the Old World Order and the New World Order, and Illuminati vs. The Powers That Be. As long as researchers in general are confused about these terms, everybody else will be too. I was visiting the Armageddon website this morning, and I certainly understand the frustration from the real Illuminati when people like Albert Pike and other notorious OWO people are accused of being members of their secret society, but we have to understand that it’s all a misconception.

Most serious researchers (who are not OWO plants) are attacking the same people as the Illuminati are. We are all on the same side, but due to that we have fallen into the trap and unintentionally reversed the terms, it looks like we are attacking the real Illuminati, but we’re not. When we have said that Pike (I use him as an example) was an Illuminati member, we simply mean member of the OWO.

“I’m sure you see what I’m getting at here. As you know, I recently wrote the article which explains the difference between the OWO and the New World Order, and if everybody embraces the truth in that, we have a good start on something new. A huge confusion would be resolved and the masses would more easily understand what’s going on, and who is an enemy and who is a friend.”

2) The OWO is constantly refining their technology so they more easily can control the masses, and they are good at it. We are very close to the point where it will be almost impossible to reverse their Agenda. I totally agree with what the Illuminati say on their website regarding having the people in power reveal their associations with groups, religion, secret societies etc., but it’s a hard thing to accomplish (and they admit to that). The OWO would never give us that information voluntarily, and with the masses dumbed down and mind controlled like they are, I wonder if this is even possible to accomplish in reality. Maybe I’m just pessimistic when comes to this.

However, I like the idea and certainly want to promote it and work towards it to see what we can do. Then, the follow-up question would be: if we accomplish this goal and the connections are revealed, would the masses be willing to do something or would they just shrug their shoulders and say, ‘oh well, that’s too bad. It’s a corrupt society, but what can I say?”

“I have pulled my hair out so many times when I’ve seen and heard people support President Bush despite the results from his actions and the obvious stupidity he is showing in public. It’s almost like the masses can identify with his stupidity, so therefore they like him. That part is pretty discouraging.

“So what’s the solution? Well, I still think that 1) and 2) above should be emphasized and worked on. Education is fundamental! Then, when people realize what’s going on, they have to make a choice. Do they want to do something about the situation or continue being slaves? The answer seems obvious, of course, but both you and I know it’s not. Many people prefer being slaves than lifting their butts from the couch and do something. If so, that’s their choice.

“I believe groups like the Illuminati are extremely important, because they counter-act the OWO energy-wise and intellectually. But we both know that the Illuminati have existed for millennia, just like the OWO, and the OWO is still in power. So, when is this going to change? I realize that no group alone can change the world, but is it possible to win the race when the OWO are the ones with all the resources and the masses are asleep?

“That’s why I think the ultimate solution is spiritual. If everything is energy and energy vibrates with different speeds, that’s the basis for different densities and spiritual experiences. I can’t lay out my whole concept in an email, but it’s all on my website. I am not a “New Ager” or suggest this solution to ‘escape from reality’. It’s just like ‘all roads lead to Rome’, you know. That’s how it’s been for me with the spiritual concept.”

Many thanks to Wes for his comments and his hard work over many years to expose the workings of the Power Elite.

No You Can’t Barack Hussein Obama is a lightweight, Facebook politician who has done little in his life other than study and regurgitate the speeches of Martin Luther King. Is he a stooge of the Old World Order?

Obama has benefited from being the multi-cultural candidate par excellence: half black, half white, half Christian, half Muslim, half professor, half celebrity, half intellectual, half man of the people, half activist, half preacher, half establishment figure, half civil rights campaigner. He is a man for all seasons, a rainbow canvas upon which the masses can project any image they like. He has proved a mediocre if not disastrous president. Nothing significant has changed. The people who were wealthy and powerful at the start of his term of office will be wealthy and powerful at the end of it. Those who were impoverished and powerless at the start will be exactly the same at the end.

People wonder how the Old World Order could allow such a person to become President. If they are so powerful, why didn’t they stop him? The truth is that the Old World Order are expert players and know when to rein back. The degree of unpopularity of George W Bush was becoming a serious problem, and beginning to undermine the foundations of democracy. Since the Old World Order rely on democracy as their political vehicle for manipulating the sedated masses, they saw the need to perform a democracy makeover. New ingredients had to be injected to reinvigorate it. Who better to turn to than an unchallenging, charismatic black man? He poses no threat to the Old World Order’s agenda, yet he gives hope of change to hundreds of millions. At a stroke, the Old World Order have saved their necks. What they fear most is revolution: the sort of Illuminati inspired uprisings that overturned the decadent French monarchy in 1789 and the arrogant Russian imperial family in 1917. Democracy provides the stable political base from which they can extend their power. If democracy is threatened, so is the Old World Order. Obama is style over substance, soundbites over meaningful policies. He talks the talk but won’t walk the walk. In fact, his hands are tied. Rhetoric is the last resort of the man of no action. Obama provides the illusion of hope, but does not deliver. Yet who cares?

Democracy has been rescued for the next few years. The problem for the Old World Order is where they go next. Once Obama fails, people’s disillusionment will be much higher than before. Once the first black president is seen to be as ineffectual as the Masonic white presidents, what then? Even the most gullible supporter of democracy will wise up. And once the Old World Order’s political base is lost, everything is up for grabs. The sorry tale of New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina reveals the real America. The world was horrified when it saw the conditions in which many Americans actually live. As many commentators observed, this was more like a third world country than the planet’s hyper power.

The media poodle controlled by the Old World Order do not usually show the astonishing poverty endured by so many Americans, their lack of the most rudimentary health care, their long hours working for a pittance. No, the media choose to focus on cretinous distractions such as celebrity culture. There are endless items on Britney Spears and Paris Hilton; nothing on the third world underbelly of the USA. The media tell “feel-good” stories, tales of heroism, tales of success, tales of the American Dream coming to life. They never tell the truth about America: an Old World Order tyranny where tens of millions live in dire conditions with no hope of ever escaping.

Nothing will change under President Obama. He made his way to the top of the pile because he knew how to play the game i.e. he knew how to secure the support of the Old World Order. He will do nothing to deliver poor Americans from their eternal bondage. And then what?

Members of the anti-NWO movement have described Obama as the Antichrist prophesied in the Book of Revelation. Yet this was the man who fluffed his lines when swearing his oath of office, and delivered an uninspiring inaugural address. Is that what Antichrists are made of these days?
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Conspiracy Theories Explained:

The Illuminati encourage skepticism. We do not seek sheep. We seek those who can apply their critical faculties and see beyond the delusions and lies of the old, false religions.

Illumination – the ancient religion of the Illuminati – is not for believers who place blind faith in absurd gods and prophets. Many of our members began their journey as skeptics, cynics and atheists. To bring such people to illumination is a vastly more difficult task than preaching to the herds and flocks who wish to spend their lives on their knees worshipping deities in which no rational person could ever possibly believe.

Illumination is the most remarkable religion in history because it is the only one that convinces atheists they are mistaken. The reason for that is simple. The True God of Illumination has nothing at all in common with Jehovah, Allah or Christ. When God is defined in absurd ways, absurd conclusions flow. When the real nature of God is understood, all the mysteries of life fall into place.

So, step one – doubt everything you have been told about religion and find as many faults and flaws as you can. Step two – doubt everything you have been told about conspiracy theories and find as many faults and flaws as you can. Step three – doubt everything you have been told about science and find as many faults as flaws as you can. Step four – doubt everything you have been told about philosophy and find as many faults and flaws as you can.

Step five – now you are ready to open your mind to the truth.

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Here’s what “DF” has to say about changing society:

The very first thing that needs to happen is an absolutely peaceful, quiet, weaponless (adhering to the NTSB safety code, not even a set of nail clippers in the crowd) assembly of 3-4 million Americans in Washington D.C. and New York to calmly walk into the UN, Congress, Senate and White House and not only dismiss, but take into custody every one of our illustrious ‘public servants’ and the UN personnel so we know where they are and what they’re up to until we have time to properly deal with them, a FEMA camp with the barest of accommodations (say Geneva Conventionesque) looks good from here.

First thing on my agenda would be to stop all American aggression and bring everyone home from everywhere: troops, spies, ambassadors, tourists everyone. At the same time as that’s being done I would go after the Goldmanites and their cronies, seizing The Fed, all the central banks and bankers and the members of the 13 families and every institution they inhabit globally. They would be held in one of their own FEMA camps until we could deal with them at a later date. I know what I personally would like to do to each and every one of them, suffice it to say barbaric would be a very mild description.

For a short period of time we would continue on with business almost as usual, except the wealth stolen from the global population by every thief connected with the OWO would’ve been compiled and redistributed evenly amongst each of the 6 billion + citizens of the world. This would level the OWO’s playing field and give everyone an equal opportunity. Along with this “money” would be a list of required purchases that would ensure everyone is linked in to the world around them through both satellite/cable TV and high speed internet, essential in the gigantic educational undertaking ahead and making every home a school and place of worship and eventually everybody a temple.

Everyone would have to be brought to the light gradually through education, first academically and spiritually then as everyone gets up to speed on their academic needs the process would naturally turn towards Illumination. As society progressed towards Illumination within each self, an Illumination would naturally prevail socially as well, negating any need for politics, money or laws.

The need of one would be as the need of the many, therefore the many would satisfy the need of the one by satisfying itself. Everyone’s life needs would all be met as a matter of course by society as a whole, each contributing his/her given talent to the fulfilment of the global community and the global community fulfilling each individual.

Those that stand out get greater rewards, but nothing that provides any type of advantage over another. Education is the key to the whole thing (it’s how I found you and if I can do it anyone can) and the process would have to start immediately to keep the short attention spanned, mostly ignorant population from falling into chaos.

Initially it would be done by involvement in all decisions made and constant communication utilizing TV and the internet to accomplish as total an inclusion as possible of the population. At the beginning of every week the issues of the week could be presented to the populace via TV, the population could return its answer via the internet during the week. The outcome could be reported the next week, acted upon immediately and new busines introduced until there is no more “business” and mankind has moved on to bigger and better things instead of being perpetually mired in political minutia.

Instead of a cumbersome government of thieves we’d only need one man: a “host” if you will or figurehead. For that matter it could be somebody new each week because everyone would have an equal say in what the majority rules and the person on-screen would just be a news-reader when you got down to it and the only unified action taken would be physical commencement of the jobs at hand which would be done at as local a level as possible to take advantage of each area’s talent.

This being only the most basic of outlines the only way to address any contingency that arises is through the communication system I outlined earlier. This would have the dual purpose of ensuring the majority ruled and would keep the population focused on the tasks at hand that continually enrich their lives.

Just the reward of discernible progress every day will be enough to inspire even the most hardened skeptics and get them on board. Housing will be a first concern as well as bringing people home from overseas. My simple answer to that will be if you left a house due to foreclosure, go back there. If it’s occupied find one that isn’t and set up shop, in the near future all that’ll matter is that you’re indoors, ownership won’t be an issue. As for the 6000, my civilized answer for them would be to strip them bare, flog them bloody, dress them in rags, brand/tattoo a fiery red M on their foreheads, cut out their tongues and seat them all in the Hollywood Bowl so they could watch all their “assets” everything that they own or worshipped go up in flames on a series of IMAX movies. When they’ve stopped weeping, rub salt in all their wounds than cast them out on the streets of the nastiest slums they created and let them rot there.

The hardest part of the whole plan will be to get 3-4 million people to do anything together for any reason, let alone overthrowing a soap opera government and a bunch of bankers. They’d all rather stay home and just watch it on TV.

Our Comment: We think there are many excellent ideas in here that could be fleshed out to contribute towards a viable plan for changing society. Can you help to put flesh on the bones? Providing everyone with equal, high-speed communication facilities is one thing that would be mandatory in a meritocratic society. No one should be denied access to the basic infrastructure of technology that everyone needs in the internet age.

As for the 6,000 tyrants of the OWO, they certainly deserve what “DF” suggests – a taste of their own medicine, so to speak. But perhaps the best way to punish them would be to build the perfect society for everyone that they wished only for themselves, and then to make them participate in it without any of their former advantages. We would pardon them all their sins against us because we are better than they are, morally superior. Now that they no longer had any power over us we could afford to be magnanimous. However, the will of the people will decide in the end.

We said to “DF”: We like the idea. We’ll put it on our website in due course. It will certainly get people to think.

“The hardest part of the whole plan will be to get 3-4 million people to do anything together for any reason, let alone overthrowing a soap opera government and a bunch of bankers. They’d all rather stay home and just watch it on TV.”

That’s exactly right. That’s always the main problem. The other huge problem is how do you get the police, army and National Guard not to open fire? The OWO would declare a state of emergency and martial law – how would anyone fight back if they had no weapons?

“DF” replied: I know the OWO would institute martial law. In fact I think they’d pull out all the stops and create another Tiananmen Square incident on an even grander scale to “set an example,” but we can’t prevent that. If we marched on Washington armed that would give them the excuse they’d need to justify their actions publicly and the dumbed-down fools would go along with it. It is quite another story however to gun down unarmed people whose only crimes are being there and not doing it sooner. I also know for a fact that all the agencies you mentioned are “brainwashed” into believing that killing their own family members would be the “right” thing to do if ordered to do so, but like the LT. Colonel that questions Obama’s birthplace, all these people have a conscience of sorts and would hesitate for at least a second if ordered to fire on their unarmed countrymen, after all they’re in the same boat we’re in, they’re losing everything to the OWO’s greed just like everyone else. Just because they are their “pit bulls” doesn’t give them any kind of immunity, that just makes them dumber than most.

Seeing an armed crowd would reinforce the “brainwashing” and they wouldn’t hesitate at all. Not only would we have to be unarmed, but the crowd would have to be quiet, shouting protest slogans, carrying banners and signs, creating any kind of chaos or confusion would agitate their “brainwashed minions” into action as quickly as visible weaponry would and even though this is a war of sorts, we don’t want any bloodshed if at all possible or at least we have to do everything within OUR power to prevent that while still accomplishing our goals and one thing everyone needs to remember…OUR CONSTITUTION GIVES US THIS RIGHT and THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE REQUIRES IT OF ALL ABLE-BODIED AMERICANS TO OVERTHROW AN OPPRESSIVE DESPOTIC GOVERNMENT …martial law or not. In my estimation (for what it’s worth) the only way to prevent that is to very visibly broadcast the entire event globally as it happens. They would be far less likely to open fire on a peaceful crowd with the whole world watching.

Our Comment: So, what do you think? Is DF right? On countless occasions we have witnessed in horror what the forces of “law and order” do to unarmed, innocent people.

Would you want to step out in front of the OWO’s pit bulls without any way of defending yourself? It would be fantastic if 4 million brave Americans could assemble and march unarmed on Washington D.C. and New York. We just can’t see it happening. As DF says, most people would rather stay at home to watch it on TV. In fact, if the Apocalypse came, they’d probably prefer to watch that on TV too.

The reality is that the OWO’s system of control works because most people buy into it. It will stop working when most people stop buying into it. It’s as simple as that.
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The Mystery:

A few select individuals have been informed of the nature of the elaborate scheme the Illuminati use to protect their central secret. It has been decided to afford others the same glimpse. No one has ever solved the clues without the intervention of Illuminati guides. In most cases, Illuminati guides will contact you only if you have taken a significant step towards the solution. On occasion, other candidates are selected if they have shown patience, resilience and genuine insight into the nature of the problem. It is often several years before candidates are contacted.

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The Threefold Enigma.

The many persecutions throughout history that the Illuminati have endured have, on several occasions, placed their secret in great danger of discovery by their enemies. The ruling council of the Illuminati long ago decided to devise a sophisticated puzzle to conceal their secret – the Holy Grail – but at the same time offer clues and hope to seekers. While most seekers are genuine, some are duplicitous and are sent by the enemy to infiltrate the Illuminati and attempt to steal or destroy the Grail. For this reason, the Illuminati must exercise the greatest caution.

This is the text of a message that the Illuminati have sanctioned to be sent to a handful of seekers – six last year – who appeared to be of the right calibre to make meaningful headway with the enigma over the next few years.

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The Message.

“I have been instructed to inform you of the following, which you may or may not find useful. Perhaps it will give you an insight into the complexity of the challenge facing you, and indeed all seekers. Many seekers appreciate that they are confronting an immense problem, but most fail to perceive just how deliberately elaborate it is. It is for you to make your choices as you see fit.

“There are three profound mysteries involved in the search for the Grail, two of which are fake and carefully designed to protect the real mystery. The two fake mysteries were formulated at the same time – by the ruling council – hundreds of years ago. The two fake mysteries are ingenious and each has a unique, convincing and sensational solution. The two fakes have more ‘public’ clues than the real mystery i.e. the clues are easier to find, though they are by no means easy to solve. Each of the mysteries, including the real one, is allowed to evolve in the sense that additional clues can be provided at any time, particularly by way of stories and paintings. But false clues are also laid.

“There are intersection points between the three mysteries: certain key facts that all three have in common. Even if a seeker has become entrapped in one of the fake mysteries (both of which are as highly compelling as the real mystery), he will still have opportunities to switch to the real mystery if he makes the right choice at an intersection point. He will make the right choice only if he has the strength to abandon all of the work he has performed on either of the fake mysteries. This, in fact, is part of the test. Virtually no one makes the right choice because abandoning years of hard work is simply too difficult for most to contemplate, especially when they believe they have been making good progress. There is another trap: it is possible to move from one fake mystery to the other fake mystery, bypassing the true mystery. Several seekers have encountered this misfortune.

“Anyone who makes significant progress on the real mystery will certainly be contacted, but must then undergo a long vetting process to ensure that they are not working for the enemy. The enemy has on two occasions come within one step of reaching the final stage of the real mystery. Preventing the enemy from accessing the final stage is paramount.

“Your current status is classified as follows: you are making notable headway with one of the fake mysteries. You have encountered material that can direct you to an intersection point, but you have not yet moved in the right direction. You are deemed to have all of the necessary skills and attributes to move forward, but others have possessed such skills and attributes yet remained stuck in fruitless pursuit of fake mysteries. The fake mysteries are highly seductive but nevertheless valueless. No one has yet solved the fake mysteries, and some may even find them more alluring than the real mystery since they have implications that are as mind boggling as that of the real mystery, but they have not one particle of genuine evidence to substantiate them and are entirely speculative. (Imagine a painting that points, in an arcane way, to a manufactured mystery. A seeker might imagine that if he solves the painting’s code, he will advance closer to the truth. In fact, he has merely come closer to a false “truth”. But how would he know? That is always the dilemma.) The real mystery, on the other hand, is associated with indisputable evidence of its truth. If it did not have this evidence, it would long ago have been deemed unbelievable.

“I hope this information proves useful to you. It is hoped that you will enjoy the greatest of good fortune in your quest, and, if you do, you will be contacted. I’m sorry that nothing more definite can be said at this time. It is true that a more active period has been entered and many clues may become visible within the next few years, from a number of different and often unexpected sources. People like you will be in the best position to find them, but you will also have to sift truth from deception, and it is in the nature of deception that it often comes in the most desirable forms, while the truth can be plain, unadorned and shunned.

“Again, we offer you the greatest of good fortune. You are assuredly correct that he who is not searching for the Grail will never find it.”
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Zeitgeist:

How many people fully understand Zeitgeist?

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
https://www.thevenusproject.com/

Zeitgeist: www.youtube.com/watch?v=guXirzknYYE
Zeitgeist Addendum: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
Zeitgeist Moving Forward: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
Zeitgeist Orientation video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnK5mBCFTMg
Venus Project video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb5ivvcTvRQ

Are you one of the seekers?

From our Russian division in 1979 – Stalker by Tarkovsky. Can you cope with the many setbacks and tribulations on the long path to the truth? Can you confront the final enigma and remain undaunted? Can you enter the mysterious Zone and find the Grail?

Hundreds of seekers have contacted us in recent months. Many of these candidates are highly promising, but we must emphasise that few are chosen. Do you have the qualities required? Several clues will appear from a number of apparently separate sources over the next few years. Can you find your way through the maze? Can you put the jigsaw together?
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The Soul Camera:

The Soul Camera, a novel that will appear soon, will dramatize the procedure that occurs when a seeker is recruited, and it will also reveal the perils that recruits face from the enemies of the Grail.

The Illuminati are on the verge of throwing light on their mysterious secret society. The Soul Camera – a carefully coded work of fiction – will reveal many concealed facts about the most esoteric organisation on earth.

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What is the religion of the Illuminati?

What is their irrefutable evidence that their religion is true while all others are false?

Why are they alone the true guardians of the strangest and most compelling object of all – the Holy Grail?

Why are they unable to come forth and reveal their evidence to the world?

Who are their sworn enemies who have waged war for millennia against the Illuminati?

Which people are eligible to be recruited by the Illuminati and how does the process take place?

Why can some people never be recruited by the Illuminati?

Why is the Illuminati’s great secret the most shocking in human history?

Why are the Illuminati so reviled and feared by so many when, in fact, they are humanity’s greatest benefactors, those who stand between humanity and perpetual darkness and torment?

What is the nature of the secret society that stands in the shadows in bitter and deadly opposition to the Illuminati, controlling the Old World Order, and wielding power over nearly the whole of humanity?

“The Soul Camera” will provide the clearest insights ever provided into the mysterious and arcane world of the Illuminati and their astonishing mission to save humanity.

“The tyrant dies and his rule is over, the martyr dies and his rule begins.” –Søren Kierkegaard

The End

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The Armageddon Conspiracy: The Plot To Kill God
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https://www.amazon.com/Inside-Dopesters-Conspi…/…/B005WLIACW
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9/9

The 9/11 “conspiracy” is the ultimate McGuffin – it’s nothing at all. There’s nothing there. It’s a red herring. Its function, though, is very real. It drives a secondary plot and an entirely different narrative. Its true purpose is to undermine the basis of government – any government, government in principle – and to “reveal” all government as a lethal threat to the people, as an eternal conspiracy.

The “Truthers” are anarcho-capitalist libertarians and supporters of Ayn Rand who want to destroy government. They are engaged in a vast and frighteningly dangerous conspiracy to replace government with enormous corporations acting according to the “market”, and outside any government control or restraint.

In this nightmarish new world, people would be brainwashed drones “owned” by corporate leviathans. There would be no freedom, no hope and no escape. Wake up. See what’s really going on. See past the smoke and mirrors.

Ask yourself that ancient question – cui bono? Who will benefit most from the Truthers’ new model of society? The answer is the same one it has always been: big business, the entrenched elite, the privileged few, the men behind the curtain. In short, the Old World Order. It’s the oldest story ever told. Will you go on being suckers forever? Wake up!

Have conspiracy theories become a new religion, providing the wonders and wow factor that were once the sole province of conventional religion?

This book is one of a series by the Pythagorean Illuminati. It exposes the absurd propaganda war that is waged by the “Truthers” against the Illuminati. It ridicules their precious 9/11 theory, their Nibiru conspiracy theory, and the ludicrous notion that the world is controlled by shape-shifting, pan-dimensional Reptilian humanoids.

There is only one conspiracy – that of the Old World Order, the privileged elite of dynastic families that have ruled the planet from the dawn of history.

Do not read this book if you are a closed-minded Abrahamist or conspiracy theorist. The material provided by the Pythagorean Illuminati is not for petty, cheap, narrow-minded religious fanatics.

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A Book Review:

“This is one of a series of books by the Pythagorean Illuminati. Like every book in the series it is excellent and if you give any of them a chance they might just open your mind to all kinds of new ideas. If you have any interest at all in life’s greatest mysteries you need to read all of their books.

You should also check out the Illuminati’s website www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk and their facebook page/group www.facebook.com/pythagorean.illuminati and www.facebook.com/groups/136240720298981/

Mind opening articles are regularly posted on the facebook page where you can discuss them with other people if you so choose. The Illuminati take many interesting and challenging subjects and do an excellent job of making the sometimes complicated ideas understandable to everyone.

“Inside-Dopesters and Conspiracy Theories” is a book that examines the pathology of the “gurus” that come up with conspiracy theories and the people who eagerly await the next installment of lunacy from their favorite nut job. Conspiracy theories have become a type of religion for many people throughout the world and the conspiracy theories being thrown around these days are catching up to Christianity, Islam, and Judaism on the insanity meter. What is crazier: a man born of a virgin who ran around two thousand years ago performing “miracles” and then came back from the grave like some vampire, or evil shape shifting Illuminati reptilians from the planet nibiru infiltrating society and preparing to take over the world by the end of this year? That one is a toss up.

It blows my mind that lunatics like Alex Jones, David Icke, Benjamin Fulford, etc. have millions more people buying their insanity then the Pythagorean Illuminati have even gotten to take one look at their website. It is a testament to the sorry state the world is in these days. How does psychosis look so much better to the vast majority of people in the world then reason, logic, and community? This needs to change rapidly if we have any chance left of creating a more equal and just world for all of the species on this planet. Please read the books from the true Illuminati so we can begin curing the massive insanity that has taken over this world.” –BG
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1/9

The Illuminati’s religion is the most highly developed expression of Gnosticism and is called Illumination (alternatively, Illuminism). Dedicated to the pursuit of enlightenment, it has many parallels with the Eastern religions of Hinduism, Buddhism and Taoism. It rejects the Abrahamic religions of faith: Judaism, Christianity and Islam, considering these the work of the “Demiurge”; an inferior, cruel and wicked deity who deludes himself that he is the True God, and who has inflicted endless horrors on humanity.

If you wish to judge for yourself how deranged the Demiurge is, you need only read the Old Testament, the story of the Demiurge’s involvement with his “Chosen People”, the Hebrews. You may wonder why the “God of All” entered into an exclusive and partisan Covenant with a tribe in the Middle East several thousand years ago, why he promised them a land (Canaan) that belonged to others, and why he then actively participated with them in a genocidal war against the Canaanites. Even more bizarrely, according to Christian theology, he then dispatched all of those Hebrews, whom he had supported so fanatically, to Limbo – the edge of Hell – when they died. They couldn’t go to Heaven because they were indelibly marked by the “Original Sin” of Adam and Eve. Only the atonement provided by the agonising death of God’s “son”, Jesus Christ, could wipe the slate clean and allow the Hebrews to be released from Limbo. But there was a catch. Only those who accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour were eligible for Paradise.

Of course, the Chosen People of “God” have almost entirely rejected Jesus Christ. Therefore, from the Christian perspective, nearly all of the Chosen People are now in hell proper. Don’t you find God’s behaviour distinctly odd? Indeed, unbelievable? Don’t alarm bells start ringing? Doesn’t the behaviour of this God sound rather more like what would be expected of Satan?

Remember that this same “God” ordered Abraham to perform human sacrifice on his own son, Isaac. Abraham, rather than rejecting this monstrous command, rather than denouncing the creature that gave it as evil incarnate, agreed to butcher his own flesh and blood to demonstrate how slavishly and mindlessly obedient he was – the prototype of all psychopathic, fanatical “believers”.

Does God’s command to Abraham sound like something that would ever pass the lips of the True God? We pity you if you think it does because you are surely a creature of the Demiurge and one of the legions of the damned. If, however, you doubt the credentials of the Abrahamic God, you may be receptive to the message of the Illuminati and our future-oriented, rational, scientific, mathematical and dialectical religion of light – Illumination.
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Quotation:

The McGuffin:

“It might be a Scottish name, taken from a story about two men in a train. One man says, ‘What’s that package up there in the baggage rack?’ and the other answers, ‘Oh that’s a McGuffin.’ The first one asks, ‘What’s a McGuffin?’ ‘Well,’ the other man says, ‘it’s an apparatus for trapping lions in the Scottish Highlands’. The first man says, ‘But there are no lions in the Scottish Highlands’, and the other one answers, ‘Well, then that’s no McGuffin!’ So you see, a McGuffin is nothing at all.” –Alfred Hitchcock
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Inside-Dopesters:

Sociologist David Riesman defined an “inside-dopester” as a social type whose goal was “never to be taken in by any person, cause or event.” All conspiracy theorists are inside-dopesters. They have a pathological desire not to be fooled and that, of course, means they are the easiest people on earth to fool – as David Icke and other conspiracy theorist gurus prove every day with the deranged theories they peddle. No sane person could take the proposition of reptilian, shape-shifting Illuminati seriously, yet conspiracy theorists lap it up. They think they’ll be able to spot a reptilian a mile off! No one will ever take them by surprise… so they imagine.

Nietzsche said, “All things are subject to interpretation. Whatever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.” Conspiracy theorists have no interest at all in the truth.

However, they are obsessed with feeling powerful – usually because they are so powerless in their everyday lives. In conspiracy theory land, they are masters of the universe, experts and geniuses, better than any PhDs.

It’s pointless trying to reason with them. They have long since departed the rational world. Anyone who agrees with them is telling the truth and anyone who disagrees with them is a liar and part of the conspiracy. This is exactly the way that Muslims think about the Koran: you’re going to hell if you reject the Koran and heaven if you agree with it. There’s no scope whatever for challenging the Koran, just as conspiracy theorists never subject their own theories to any criticism.

The conspiracy theorists call themselves “Truthers” but they are nothing but liars and, worst of all, they lie to themselves. They have no intellectual integrity or honesty and no respect for expert opinions and decades of experience (unless the expert opinions coincide with their own).

Their greatest obsession is 9/11 – the inside job that never was. All “Truthers” inhabit a world of supreme delusion and arrogance where they consider it impossible that anyone could successfully attack America other than Americans themselves. They think that America is loved all around the world and that Muslims would never be motivated to attack the “Great Satan.” Their ignorance of international affairs and Islam is spectacular. They have no interest in researching Islamic Jihad because it doesn’t tie in with their conviction that 9/11 was the ultimate act of American treachery. Not once do the Truthers contemplate that there might be legions of Muslims that detest the infidel Americans and maybe 19 fanatical Muslims really did hijack four planes and use them as suicide weapons to achieve personal martyrdom and avenge the Muslims in Palestine and all across the world who are the victims of Zionist-American foreign policy. Conspiracy Theories: A New Religion?

“Do you think it [the full moon] brings the crazies out?”

“They’re always out.”

(Clint Eastwood, Tightrope)

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” –Søren Kierkegaard

“Simulation is the situation created by any system of signs when it becomes sophisticated enough, autonomous enough, to abolish its own referent and to replace it with itself.” –Jean Baudrillard

Have conspiracy theories become a new religion, providing the wonders and wow factor that were once the sole province of conventional religion?

Baudrillard tells us that we’ve entered hyperreality, sometimes defined as the more real than real. It seems an odd concept, yet perhaps we can find a good illustration in the proliferation of conspiracy theories in the last few decades.

“RL” – Real Life – is often associated with accidents, cock-ups, laziness, ineptitude, bad luck, unforeseen circumstances, unintended consequences, coincidences…a miasma of mess, muddle, disorder, chaos, unconnectedness, the fog of war. Cause and effect exist, but not in a simple, satisfying way.

People dislike the unadorned real. They’re always looking for patterns that make sense: easy-to-understand cause and effect. Even when they look at the clouds, they imagine they’re seeing definite shapes (like faces or animals) rather than amorphous blobs. They can’t help ourselves – human minds are wired that way. When they can’t find obvious cause and effect, they’re left baffled. Even distressed.

But their anxiety is relatively easy to cure. They simply invent an appropriate cause and effect and impose it on the problematic situation. The more cause and effect they can cram in, the happier they are. They feel they are understanding the world. They resist the notion that the truth, in a form they can grasp, is not out there. There must be some comprehensible pattern of cause and effect that explains everything.

Enter conspiracy theories. Nothing’s an accident. Nothing’s a cock-up. There are no lone nutters with high-powered rifles. Mad people don’t do mad things. Instead, everything is rationalised, put in a nice, tidy box and tied up in a lovely pink bow. The gift-wrapped parcel is presented to the world and everyone nods and smiles because now the world makes sense. Sanity restored. Everything does have a sensible cause.

Of course, there may be many inconvenient facts that don’t support the various conspiracy theories. But isn’t it those who are in on the conspiracy who manufacture those “facts”? Six million died in the Holocaust. “Who says?” the Holocaust deniers ask. “Jews say,” is their answer. Why? Why, to promote a Zionist agenda, of course. And aren’t the Jews secretly controlling the world? Weren’t we told so in the secret protocols of the elders of Zion? Those were forged, of course. But by whom? Well, by the elders of Zion, naturally, to cunningly disguise the truth. The best fake is the fake that isn’t faked at all. Or the truth faked to look fake.

To tell the truth of the “Jewish conspiracy” is, according to the Holocaust deniers, to be accused of believing in a “proven” forgery, which was not forged at all, but deliberately distributed as a simulated forgery.

Nowadays, no one can ever discuss the “Jewish conspiracy” for fear of being branded anti-Semitic, and credulously and perversely accepting forgeries…which was the whole point of the forgery in the first place. Except, as noted, it wasn’t a forgery, but merely a simulacrum of a forgery. The genius behind this conspiracy!

Well, that’s how some people see it, and there’s nothing you can say or do to change their minds. And even to try is to demonstrate that you’re part of the conspiracy. There are those who claim that facts can dispel conspiracy theories. What planet are these people living on? As Nietzsche said, “There are no facts, only interpretations.” He might have come up with an even more extreme formulation: “There are no facts, only misinterpretations.”

Facts have long since stopped being objective, real things. (They are ultimately nothing but electrical signals in the human brain in any case, assuming we accept the facts of science.) Facts, we now realise, are beliefs. They can be used to support anything. People hold religious beliefs precisely because “facts” are so malleable. You can pick your own from all those on offer, the ultimate pick ‘n’ mix. You can disregard every fact you dislike. It’s a precondition of faith. (Was Jesus Christ the Son of God? Or the Son of Man? Did he raise people from the dead, and rise from the dead himself? Are these facts? Or was Jesus Christ actually Yehoshua ben Yosef, and didn’t perform any miracles, and was an ordinary human being? Did he even exist? Is King Arthur any less real than Jesus Christ?)

Conspiracy theories operate in the same territory. These are belief systems too. Nothing can overcome them. Indeed, it’s a prediction of Festinger’s cognitive dissonance theory that the more conclusively people’s beliefs are refuted, the more likely many of those people are to redouble their faith in their disproven beliefs.

You see, it’s all hyperreal. Conspiracy theories, like religions, offer much more emotionally satisfying explanations. They close the big, scary, open-ended questions. Who, other than rational people, wants to believe that a drunk driver in a Paris tunnel killed Diana Spencer in a mundane car accident? Her followers won’t accept that. Their precious princess couldn’t possibly have died in such humdrum fashion like all the plebs. So all hail the elaborate conspiracy theory.

Diana died for specific reasons, for a rational agenda – not because of some cheap and vulgar automobile accident of the type that happens scores of times a day all over the world. No, that simply won’t do. We can’t have that. The world does not operate like that. Gods and goddesses must have divine deaths. Even in death, they must transcend the herd.

The dinosaur thinkers who write books “disproving” conspiracy theories had better get real. Or rather hyperreal. Their ludicrous facts became extinct long ago, assuming they ever existed in the first place (which they didn’t.) There’s no point in discussing the truth or otherwise of conspiracy theories. It’s as futile as trying to disprove religions.

Religious believers often say, “But you can’t prove that God doesn’t exist.” They never tell you what they would accept as proof. And in fact, they would accept nothing. They can’t conceive of disproof of their beliefs. They can’t acknowledge that they may be WRONG. Same game with the conspiracy theorists.

Of course, we’re all familiar with the very first human conspiracy – when the first woman talked the first man into stealing an apple from a special tree: the Tree of Knowledge. The facts never got in the way of that conspiracy, did they?

“A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that’s just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it’s a joke.” –Søren Kierkegaard
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Narcissism:

We often receive messages from people who believe that they are the “Chosen One” and that we should be offering them our assistance.

Sorry to disillusion these people, but we are not advocates of Chosen Ones. The world has had quite enough Messiahs. In any case, they always arrive too late:

The Messiah will come only when he is no longer necessary; he will come only on the day after his arrival; he will come, not on the last day, but on the very last. –Kafka

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No one’s coming to save the world. Not Jesus Christ, not anyone. If the world is going to be saved then it’s our collective responsibility, no one else’s. The very act of believing in a Saviour is a disgrace. It’s cowardice and laziness, an abdication of our personal obligations.

The logic of our central theme of “becoming God” is that each of us must don the divine mantle. Salvation is our business – each of us, individually – not someone else’s. It’s time to be active, not passive.

It’s time to make things happen: not sit back and wait for others. It’s time to create our own “Rapture”, not pray to someone else to make it happen. We have to stop being alienated from our divine spark. It’s time to burnish it and let it illuminate the world.

There’s no point in waiting for Godot. He never arrives. That’s the whole point. In Dante’s Limbo, the Ignavi are always waiting. Their crime in life was that they preferred to wait until everything was decided rather than commit themselves to a cause when its prospects were uncertain, and now they are condemned to wait forever in the vestibule of hell. Anyone can jump on a bandwagon. The heroes are those who got involved long before the bandwagon arrived. You have to find a cause and commit yourself fully. That’s the first step in giving meaning to your life.

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Narcissistic Personality Disorder has become an epidemic in our society. Legions of people think they are Reality TV stars in the making. Facebook is full of photographs capturing every moment in our “wonderful lives”. Facebook isn’t full of philosophy, art, science, activism, political debate and a spiritual yearning for God. Instead, it’s a global cyber-shrine to vanity, trivia and narcissism. People sit for hours on end staring at pictures and videos of their friends and family, and, above all, of themselves. They are all, like Narcissus himself, perpetually staring at their own reflection, their eternal image, incapable of dragging themselves away. Facebook is the ultimate “vanity project”, a monument to egotism. The “image” has become all pervasive. The Society of the Spectacle is upon us. Our lives are mediated by images. The book – the word – is dying. The Old World Order (OWO), the privileged Elite that have always ruled us, use images to brainwash us. We are bombarded by hyperreal images of airbrushed and digitally enhanced “perfect” celebrities.

Everyone is caught on the treadmill of trying to live up to this perfection, and everyone is failing, so rates of depression are increasing. Everyone yearns for perfect friends and partners. Reality is no longer good enough. In this hyperreal age, reality is inevitably a disappointment. So, we pay top dollar to escape from reality. Women, in particular, spend a fortune on the “beauty” industry. What is the practical effect of this industry? – to make every woman on earth feel ugly if she is not plastered with beauty products. What is the other effect – to place vast amounts of money in the hands of those who control the beauty industry (or should that be the Ugly Business)?

Those who control the use and symbolic meaning of images, control our lives. They can make a fortune from us. They can shape society. They can impose their model of society on us.

We have to escape from the tyranny of image (and brand), in all of its manifestations. The advertising industry is one of the most sinister on earth because its sole purpose is to “persuade” us, through the use of overpoweringly seductive images, to do the bidding of the advertisers’ rich and powerful clients.

How to fight back? We need an Imagery of Subversion – images that undermine and subvert the images foisted upon us by the OWO. We need a Society of the Anti-Brand. Then the OWO will no longer be able to “brand” us with the lurid symbols of their mind control.

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Another type of message we get is from those who seek to show that they are cleverer than we are.

Here’s an example from “Barry”:

And to those who say beware of movements? What say you?

You have asked us to withhold questions until completion of the site…this in itself is a contradiction…a site, like god, is never complete…it is always becoming. What say you, M?

As for your glaring “9-11” (or is it 11-9?) contradiction (Zeitgeist demolition theory vs multiple simultaneous cells of brilliant Saudi boxcutter pilots???)…c’mon dudes. Is this one more thing yet to be revealed in “the final cut”? Or am I just supposed to ‘get it’?

yours sincerely,
the barry movement
beware

We’re not a debating society, so we normally ignore such messages. Also, the message is not intended to be constructive. The fact that “Barry” has made the effort to send us a message indicates that he is quite intrigued by our site, but equally, like the Ignavi, he cannot “commit” to it, so he tries to start an interaction, while showing that he’s too smart to be “taken in” by us. Of course, we’re not trying to take in anyone, so this type of approach is merely irritating. It wastes his time and ours. However, in this instance, we decided to reply:

“And to those who say beware of movements? What say you?”

Yes, we agree. And you know what Groucho Marx said; “I don’t care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.”

“You have asked us to withhold questions until completion of the site…this in itself is a contradiction…a site, like god, is never complete…it is always becoming. What say you, M?”

Correct again. When we say, “finished”, we mean that we won’t be adding any new material. But, of course, that is not the same as “finishing” in an absolute sense.

“As for your glaring “9-11” (or is it 11-9?) vs. multiple simultaneous cells of brilliant Saudi boxcutter pilots???)…c’mon dudes. Is this one more thing yet to be revealed in “the final cut”? Or am I just supposed to ‘get it’?”

There are three main reasons for advocating the 9/11 demolition theory:

1) To deny that Muslims were the perpetrators of 9/11.

2) To undermine confidence in a particular American government and show that, given their track record, they were well capable of something so dastardly. Also, to attack a certain form of government (capitalist “democracy” based on unregulated markets).

3) To attack government per se. To assert that government is an intrinsic evil that must be overthrown. This is an attack on all forms of government, not just one particular type.

Zeitgeist subscribes to the second reason. It is entirely opposed to the prevailing style of government in America and the West. However, it has no interest in abolishing government but, rather, in replacing it with a far better type of government. The Zeitgeist case must be absolutely differentiated from that of anarcho-capitalists who want to demolish government of any description. They would be as opposed to the new form of government advocated by the Zeitgeist Movement as they would to the particular government of George W Bush.

The Zeitgeist Movement are not fellow travellers with Ayn Rand’s army of anarcho-capitalists. Quite the reverse.

Thesis (Zeitgeist): Government was capable of 9/11 and culpable for 9/11.

Antithesis (US Government): Government was not culpable for 9/11.

Synthesis: Government did not carry out the 9/11 attack, but was capable and culpable.

Perhaps dialectical logic has escaped someone like you with your zealous Aristotelian mindset. Good luck with that.

9-11…11-9: Very clever. You understand that different nations use different formats for dates. Are we supposed to bow to your genius at this point? Never quite sure with messages such as yours.

the barry movement
beware

One trusts that your “movement” will remain with a membership of one since you’re clearly not the type who wants to get serious about anything.

Goodbye.
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9/11 – The Ultimate McGuffin?:

The truth of 9/11 could not be simpler. Osama bin Laden did it and Bush and co were hoping he would do something of that nature to give them a pretext to invade oil-rich Iraq, give regional support to Israel, and try to start converting Islamic countries to puppet capitalist democracies under America’s control, thus extending the Old World Order’s power to regions of the world not yet fully under its heel.

This “neocon” agenda of America was well known. America’s support for Zion and Zionism is infamous throughout the world, but that doesn’t mean that the American government was behind 9/11.

Nevertheless, they certainly provoked it with their foreign policy choices and they were “happy” to do so since it allowed them to accomplish long-cherished strategic aims.

The key to the whole controversy of 9/11 is the collapse of the Twin Towers and Tower 7. The conspiracy theorists say that the hijacked planes couldn’t possibly have brought the towers down, therefore they must have been expertly demolished. Therefore it was an inside job and therefore the American government was responsible.

But the collapse of the towers is completely irrelevant. America would have relied on the fact that four airplanes were hijacked and used in suicide operations as sufficient pretext for their subsequent foreign policy (military) response. Whether or not the twin towers fell down would not have made the slightest difference and therefore could not have been part of any conspiracy.

To repeat, if everything had happened exactly as it did, except the Twin Towers and Tower 7 did not come down, the American reply would not have been one iota different. The hijacked planes slamming into highly symbolic American buildings and killing hundreds of American citizens was the only excuse the American government needed to carry out its policy. In other words, the collapse of the Twin Towers and Tower 7 – the so-called smoking gun – is completely irrelevant in terms of the government’s alleged conspiracy. Since the smoking gun is irrelevant, it’s crazy to conclude that it furnishes certain proof of government involvement.

Why would the government be so dumb as to carry out needless and dangerous demolitions when it already had the excuse it needed for a war? Any American officials allegedly sitting in a room planning a false flag attack would never have said, “Right, it’s not good enough simply to hijack planes and crash them into buildings, horrifically killing hundreds of people; we also need to demolish the Twin Towers, and, hey, why not demolish Tower 7 and Tower 5 while we’re at it, even though nothing is actually going to hit them and it will look as suspicious as hell?”

It’s INSANE.

The collapse of the Twin Towers and Tower 7 is the biggest red herring in history. The buildings collapsed for reasons that are now quite well understood in engineering terms. No demolitions took place.

American policy would have to have been dependent on the collapse of the Twin Towers for a conspiracy theory to have any credibility i.e. it is being asserted by the “Truth Movement” that America would not have responded as it did if the Towers did not fall. Clearly, this is entirely false – whether the Towers fell or not was neither here nor there in terms of providing a pretext for a war. Hence there was no government conspiracy.

American support for Israel is a disgrace, and the invasion of Iraq was a disgrace, but that doesn’t mean that the American government committed 9/11. The fact that 9/11 suited their agenda doesn’t make them guilty.

All thinking people should analyze the facts rationally. Any intelligent person should be able to detect a myriad of holes in the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

9/11 was, in truth, an unsophisticated, low-tech attack by 19 Muslim suicide bombers. Bin Laden wanted to strike back against America and he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. Airplanes had never been used as suicide weapons before, so America was taken by surprise. What’s so hard to grasp about that?

There are many videos and articles on the internet that debunk those who claim that the American government carried out this act. The people who hold the belief that the American government was responsible tend to be libertarian fanatics (Ayn Rand’s mad fan club) who hate the American government and wish it nothing but harm.

They are prepared to believe anything that points towards the guilt of the American government, and to ignore anything that does not. They are not “truth seekers”, but merely people with a political axe to grind and a burning hatred of the American government and any interference by the state in their lives.

We are in no way sympathetic towards the American government – quite the reverse – but that does not mean we will support any theory about their culpability that is refuted by all available evidence. There is not one shred of credible evidence that the American government carried out this act. There is, however, a great deal of evidence that they knew something like this was being planned, and they took no serious steps to prevent it. But these are two very different positions. However, it’s no disaster that many Americans believe that their government was capable of perpetrating 9/11. And this is exactly what Zeitgeist plays on. The “game” is to bring as many people as possible to a point where they no longer have any confidence in their government and no faith in the system. Only then is real change possible.

The Zeitgeist 9/11 sequence is designed to provoke you and get you to think. It has proved entirely successful. But anyone who, after some reflection, really believes that these buildings were rigged for demolition has lost the plot…
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